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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative f '(a) for the function f(t)=(3t+3)/(t+6) using the definition of the derivative. Participants are exploring the challenges associated with applying the limit definition and the potential use of derivative rules.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the limit definition of the derivative and the challenges of encountering a zero denominator. Some suggest using the quotient rule for simplification, while others emphasize the importance of correctly applying the limit process.

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The conversation includes various attempts to clarify the derivative calculation process. Some participants provide insights on manipulating the difference quotient, while others question the necessity of using the definition versus established rules. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in evaluating limits and the importance of understanding the underlying principles.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the application of limit laws in the context of derivatives, particularly when the denominator approaches zero. Participants are also reflecting on the educational materials and their effectiveness in conveying these concepts.

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I'm taking calculus online and I need help figuring out how to solve the following problem. My book and notes given from my teacher do not show how to solve problems like this and I keep ending up with answers that don't work. The question is;

Find f '(a) when f(t)=(3t+3)/(t+6)







I know I need to use the equation f '(a)= lim as h--> 0 of f(a+h)-f(a)/h




When I attempted this problem I kept getting zero in the denominator which i know is not correct.
 
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Once you have an expression with the difference quotient, you multiply things out and factor out an h in the numerator which cancels with the h in the denominator. Then you can let h = 0
Also, make sure that (f(a+h)-f(a)) is all in the numerator.
 
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Do you have anything like the quotient rule to use to simplify this problem? It's fairly rare you want to calculate a derivative via the definition
 
Yeah, in practice you almost never calculate a derivative from first principles...Use product/quotient rule (you know what that is?)
 
Yes, the derivative of f(x), at x= a, it defined as
[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow h}\frac{f(a+h)- f(a)}{h}[/tex]
and the denominator always goes to 0! But evaluating the limit is NOT just a matter of putting h= 0. Contrary to popular belief among students, the limit is NOT just a fancy way of talking about the value of the function!

If
[tex]f(t)= \frac{3t+3}{t+6}[/tex]
then
[tex]f(a)= \frac{3a+3}{a+ 6}[/tex]
and
[tex]f(a+h)= \frac{3(a+h)+3}{a+ h+ 6}= \frac{3a+ 3h+ 3}{a+ h+ 6}[/tex]
so
[tex]f(a+h)- f(a)= \frac{3a+ 3h+ 3}{a+ h+ 6}- \frac{3a+3}{a+ 6}[/tex]
To subtract those fractions, we need to get a common denominator by multiplying the numerator of the first fraction by a+ 6 and of the second fraction by a+h+ 6:
[tex]f(a+h)- f(a)= \frac{(3a+3h+ 3)(a+6)}{(a+h+6)(a+6)}-\frac{(3a+3)(a+h+6)}{(a+h+6)(a+6)}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{((3a^2+3ah+3a+18+ 18h+ 18)- (3a^2+3a+ 3ah+3h+ 18a+ 18)}{(a+h+6)(a+6)}= \frac{18h}{(a+h+6)(a+ 6)}[/tex]
so that when we divide by h we have an h in both numerator and denominator:
[tex]\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}= \frac{18h}{(a+h+6)(a+ 6)h}[/tex]
and, as long as h is not 0, we can cancel the h s.
[tex]\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}= \frac{18}{(a+h+6)(a+ 6)}[/tex]
and now we can let h= 0 without any problem:
the limit is [itex]18/(a+6)^2[/itex].


I once taught a course called "Calculous for Business Administration and Economics" using a text that had been selected by the Business administartion department. The text had, on one page the "laws of limits":
1) [itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} (f(x)+ g(x))= \lim_{x\rightarrow a}f(x)+ lim_{x\rightarrow a}g(x)[/itex]

2) [itex]lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)g(x)= (lim_{x\rightarrow a}f(x))(lim_{x\rightarrow a}g(x))[/tex]<br /> <br /> 3) [tex]lim_{x\rightarrow a}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}= \frac{lim_{x\rightarrow a}f(x)}{lim_{x\rightarrow a} g(x)}[/tex]<br /> <b>as long as [itex]lim_{x\rightarrow a} g(x)[/itex] is not 0</b>.<br /> <br /> On the <b>next</b> page they define the derivative, completely ignoring the fact that, in that definition, the denominator <b>always</b> goes to 0 so those laws don't apply!<br /> <br /> It is essential to have also this very important but often overlooked law: If, in some neighborhood of a, f(x)= g(x) for all x <b>except</b> possibly x=a, then [itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)= \lim_{x\rightarrow a} g(x)[/itex]. That makes it possible to cancel the h's and then take the limit.[/itex]
 

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