Help with force and friction on a flat surface

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a crate on a flat surface, where a force is applied to pull the crate, and the effects of static and kinetic friction are considered. The original poster is trying to determine the minimum additional force required to prevent the crate from moving under the influence of a pulling force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between static friction and the normal force, questioning how additional forces affect the normal force and thus the maximum static friction available to counteract the pulling force.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between forces acting on the crate and the conditions necessary to maintain static equilibrium. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of the normal force and static friction, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster is new to the topic, which may affect their understanding of the concepts involved. There is an emphasis on clarifying the definitions and relationships between the forces at play.

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Homework Statement


I have a 30kg crate on a flat floor. There is a rope pulling the crate to the right with a force of 125N. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are .34 and .24 respectively. I need to know what the minimum force I could put on top of the crate to stop it from moving.
Fg = 9.81 m/s^2
uS = .34
uK = .24
m = 30kg


Homework Equations


I know that I need to use Newtons second law to determine the sum of all forces in each direction, and see how much needs to be added to overcome the 125N pull. But honestly I have no idea where to start!


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that Fg on the crate is 294.3N. And I know that friction opposes the way the crate is being pulled. But I really don't know how to piece this problem together.
Can anyone help?
 
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What must the total static friction be to keep the crate from moving? (Assuming it is initially at rest.)

How is max static friction related to the normal force between crate and floor?
 
The total static friction has to be equal to the force pulling the crate. The normal force is pushing the crate up at the same rate that gravity is pulling down but...I'm still not exactly sure where to go from there. Sorry but I'm very new at this :[
 
Mattches said:
The total static friction has to be equal to the force pulling the crate.
Good.
The normal force is pushing the crate up at the same rate that gravity is pulling down but...
That would be true if you didn't apply any additional force on the crate. But whatever force you push down on the crate with will add to the normal force.

How does static friction relate to the normal force? Use that fact (and your first statement in this post) to figure out what the total normal force needs to be for there to be enough friction.
 

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