Help with integrating the kinematic equations

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The discussion revolves around integrating kinematic equations, specifically focusing on the integration of velocity to derive displacement. Participants explore different methods of integration and seek clarification on the process involved in obtaining the kinematic equation.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with integrating the expression for displacement using the equation for velocity.
  • Another participant questions how to integrate the expression (t-to)dt from to to t.
  • A different participant provides a method for integrating ∫x dx, suggesting it leads to the desired kinematic equation.
  • There is a discussion about treating to as a constant during integration.
  • One participant expresses confusion over algebraic manipulation during integration and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant suggests expanding and simplifying the resulting expression from the integration process.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of typing mathematical symbols and share resources for using LaTeX typesetting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of integration being discussed, but there is no consensus on the best approach to type mathematical symbols. The integration process itself remains a point of confusion for some participants.

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Some participants express uncertainty about algebraic steps and the treatment of constants during integration. There are also varying levels of familiarity with mathematical notation among participants.

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Students or individuals seeking assistance with kinematic equations and integration techniques, as well as those interested in learning how to effectively use mathematical notation in online forums.

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Hello,

Just wondering if someone can help me make sense of something. I realize it's probably a simple problem, but my math skills aren't the best and I can't see through it.

I'm trying to end up with this kinematic equation:

X= Xo + Vo(t-to) + 1/2(a)(t-to)^2

And to do this the book tells me to insert this equation:
V=Vo + a(t-to)

Into this one:

X=Xo + ∫ vdt (integrated from to -> t)


And then solve this:

X=Xo + Vo∫ dt (from to->t) + a ∫ (t - to)dt (from to -> t)


I am stuck on the second integration.

How do I integrate (t-to)dt from to --> t ??

I realize that there are a few methods on how to get these equations, it seems like everybook I look at does it in a different way, but I want to understand this method.

(also, as you can probably tell, I'm new here and I'm not sure the best method of writing math symbols on a computer, can anyone sugest how to do it?)

thanks
 
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Markel said:
I am stuck on the second integration.

How do I integrate (t-to)dt from to --> t ??
How would you solve this?: ∫x dx
 
Doc Al said:
How would you solve this?: ∫x dx

This would be 1/2[ X^2 - Xo^2]

And I know that's what I need to get for the kinematic equation but I don't see how.

If I have:

a∫(t-to)dt = a[ ∫ t dt -∫ to dt] <--- here I assume to is a constant

So integrating from to-->t give me:

a[ (t^2- to^2)/2 - to(t-to) ]

And this seems to lead to no where. arg.



Thanks for your quick reply
 
Markel said:
So integrating from to-->t give me:

a[ (t^2- to^2)/2 - to(t-to) ]
Expand that out and simplify. (Hint: Factor the resulting expression.)
 
ah, ok. Makes sense now. I was just making a mistake with the algebra and getting confused.

Thanks so much your speedy help, and your patience with me.
This is a really great website.

But does anyone have any ideas on how to type math symbols a little less akwardly than I'm doing?
 
Markel said:
This is a really great website.
Indeed! :)

Markel said:
But does anyone have any ideas on how to type math symbols a little less akwardly than I'm doing?
You can use the LaTeX typesetting available on these forums. Check out this post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997 for more details
 
Cool, I'll check that out for sure.

thanks!
 

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