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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two swinging primates, George and a gorilla, where the goal is to determine the mass ratio m/M after they collide and swing together. The user attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy principles, using equations for initial momentum and kinetic energy, as well as potential energy at a height defined by a 35-degree angle with the vertical. Despite setting up the equations correctly, the user struggles to isolate the ratio of masses and seeks assistance in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


Heres is the problem I am trying to solve:

George of the jungle, with mass m, swings on a light vine hanging from a stationary tree branch.
a second vine of equal length hangs from the same point, and a gorilla of larger mass M swings in the opposite direction on it.
Both vines are horizontal when the primates start from rest at the same moment, George and the Gorilla meet at the lowest point of their swings.
Each is afraid that the vine will break, so they grab each other and hang on.
They swing upward together, reaching a point where the vine makes an angle of 35 degrees with the vertical.

The question is to find the ratio m/M

Homework Equations


No equations, just use the concepts of linear momentum and energy.

The Attempt at a Solution


I've been at this problem about an hour and have not found what works..

Heres what I tried, which is probably totally wrong.

First I looked at the momentum by saying that before the collision the momenum of this system is the following:

p_initial = mv1 + Mv2

and when they collide at the lowest point I said

P_final = (m+M)vf

Using conservation of momentum I got:
mv1 + Mv2 = (m+M)vf

I also looked at the energy of the system and said that right when they collide the only energy will be kinteic in the system so

E_initial = 0.5mvf + 0.5Mvf = (1/2)(m + M)vf

and then after they reach that given angle of 37, I interpreted the question as that being their max height of the swing so the only energy would be the potential which I modeled as

E_final = (m+M)g(L-Lcos(theta)) where L-Lcos(theta) is their height above the lowest point of the swing.

So my since energy is conserved I got:

Energy: (1/2)(m + M)vf = (m+M)g(L-Lcos(theta))But when trying to manipulate that system of eqn's I fail to be able to reasonably find the ratio of m/M which should come out to being an actual number...

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Hmmm... for

mv1 + Mv2 = (m+M)vf

would it be true that v1 = -v2? because then i would have two eqns and two unknowns...
 

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