Help with Norms: x, y, and Dot Product

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The discussion revolves around the properties of norms and the dot product in vector spaces, specifically examining the implications of given magnitudes of vectors x and y on the absolute value of their dot product.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the magnitudes of vectors and their dot product, questioning what can be concluded about the absolute value of the dot product given the norms of the vectors.

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There is an active exploration of the implications of the cosine function in the context of the dot product, with participants considering the range of possible values for the dot product based on the angles involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the cosine of the angle and the resulting values of the dot product.

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Participants are discussing the constraints of the cosine function and its effect on the dot product, with specific attention to the ranges of angles that yield positive or negative values.

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If [tex]\lVert x \rVert=2[/tex] and [tex]\lVert y \rVert=3[/tex], what if anything, can we conclude about the possible values of [tex]\left\vert \mathbf{x}^T\mathbf{y} \right\vert[/tex]?

I don't think anything can be concluded since the dot product can still end being positive or negative.
 
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Do you know the formula for the dot product involving cosine?
 


Dustinsfl said:
If [tex]\lVert x \rVert=2[/tex] and [tex]\lVert y \rVert=3[/tex], what if anything, can we conclude about the possible values of [tex]\left\vert \mathbf{x}^T\mathbf{y} \right\vert[/tex]?

I don't think anything can be concluded since the dot product can still end being positive or negative.
x [itex]\cdot[/itex] y = ||x|| ||y|| cos([itex]\theta[/itex]).

Can you conclude something about |x [itex]\cdot[/itex] y| now?
 


[tex]u \cdot v=\lVert v \rVert\lVert u \rVert cos(\theta)[/tex]
 


It is between 0 and 1, then?
 
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Theta is between -pi/2 and pi/2?
 


Plug in all the values you know. Then consider the range of cosine. What values can it take? Knowing this, what values can ||x|| ||y|| cos theta take?
 


For cosine to be positive, theta is between, and including, -pi/2 to pi/2. Therefore, the right side of equation will be between 0 to 1 times the magnitude of x times the magnitude of y?
 


Yes, it is simpler to just write it out, however.

xy = ||x|| ||y|| cos a = 6 cos a.
cos a is between -1 and 1, so xy is in [-6, 6], and so |xy| is just the positive terms in that interval.
 

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