Partial Derivative of f(x,y) at (0,0)

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative df/dy of the function f(x,y) at the point (0,0). The function is defined as f(x,y) = 3xy + 5y^3/(x^2 + y^2) for (x,y) ≠ (0,0) and f(0,0) = 0. There is uncertainty about the existence of the derivative due to the function's discontinuity at (0,0). It is clarified that the lack of continuity does not preclude the existence of partial derivatives at that point. To determine df/dy, one must evaluate the limit definition of the partial derivative at (0,0).
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Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?
 
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Kuma said:

Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?

There are functions for which all partial derivatives exist at a point of discontinuity, so lack of continuity cannot be relied upon in this question.

RGV
 
So then it must be 0? It's the partial derivative of a point.
 
Kuma said:

Homework Statement



The question asks:

f(x,y) = 3xy+5y^3/[x^2+y^2] when (x,y) =! (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 when (x,y) = (0,0)

what is df/dy at (0,0)?



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what the answer is. At 0,0 f(x,y) is 0, so it's simply a point and the function is not continuous at the point, therefore df/dy doesn't exist?
Can you show that f is not continuous at (0,0) ?
 
Don't get confused by how the function is defined. It doesn't make sense to talk about the "partial derivative of a point." You find the partial derivative of a function at a point.

Go back to the basic definition. You want to find
\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_{(x_0,y_0)} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x_0,y_0+h)-f(x_0,y_0)}{h}when (x0,y0)=0. You need to find the limit or show it doesn't exist.
 
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