Help with simplifying series of hyperbolic integrals

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of a series of hyperbolic integrals related to the function ## v(x) = -\sum_{i=1} x^i \sqrt{2}^{i-2} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} m^{i-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm ##. Participants explore various methods for evaluating the integrals, including integration by parts, changes of variables, and contour integration, while expressing uncertainty about the outcomes and potential complexities involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that only uneven ## i ## contributes to the series and suggest that the integral ## I_i ## follows a specific pattern for uneven ## i \geq 3 ##.
  • One participant proposes using integration by parts or converting the integral into an exponential form to relate it to the gamma function.
  • A participant presents a detailed evaluation of the first integral term, ## I_1 ##, and discusses the implications of extending this method to subsequent terms, leading to a potential divergence of the series.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the integrand for odd ## i ## is non-negative and cannot be zero, which may influence the evaluation of the integrals.
  • One participant suggests that contour integration could be a viable method for solving the integrals, although they acknowledge that the results may be complex and messy.

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Participants express various methods and approaches to tackle the problem, but there is no consensus on a definitive solution or simplification. Multiple competing views and techniques remain, indicating that the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential divergence of the series as indicated by one participant, and the complexity of the contour integration approach, which may yield messy results. Additionally, the dependence on the properties of the integrand and the specific conditions for the integrals are not fully resolved.

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Hello.
I have this function ## v(x) = -\sum_{i=1} x^i \sqrt{2}^{i-2} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} m^{i-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm## which I can not seem to figure out how to simplify.I tried looking at some partial integration but repeated integration of ## \cosh ## gives polylogarithms which seemed to only complicate matters. Does anyone have some good tips?
Some observations:
Only uneven ## i ## will contribute.
For uneven ##i \geq 3## the integral (## I_i = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} m^{i-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm ##) seems to follow the pattern ## I_i = a_i\pi^{(i-1)} + b_i\pi^{(i-3)} ##, where ## a_i ## is going towards ## \infty ## with ## i ## and the converse is true for ## b_i ##
 
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Just an idea. Either you could try to use ##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{\cosh x} = \pi## somehow with integration by parts, or what I would do is get rid of the power four, convert the resulting terms into the exponential function and then try to write the integral in terms of the gamma function, and hope to find a nice formula for it.

Another promising ansatz came across my way yesterday: Try to write the equation as a differential equation which might be easier to solve:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-but-not-a-standard-form.932027/#post-5885226
Although this might look differently, in both cases is the gamma function the basic part of the integrand.
 
I have a naive solution to this problem. It may be wrong and I would appreciate comments on errors I may have made. I evaluate the integral for the first term in the series:$$I_1=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac {dm}{[cosh(m)]^4} = 2^4\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac {e^{4m}dm}{[e^{2m} +1]^4} $$ Let ##u=e^m## and we get$$I_1=2^4\int_0^{\infty}\frac {u^3du}{[u^2 +1]^4}=\int_0^{\infty}K(u)du$$Now make another change of variables: $$v=\frac {1}{[u^2+1]^3}\\dv=-6\frac {u}{[u^2+1]^4}du\\u^2=v^{-1/3} -1\\I_1=\frac{8}{3}\int_0^1u^2dv=\int_0^1(v^{-1/3} -1)dv=\frac{4}{3}$$I now consider the second integral term in the series using the u (##m=log(u)##) change of variables and introduce a parameter, t, for differentiation under the integral sign:$$I_2=\int_0^{\infty}log(tu)K(u)du\\ \frac{dI_2}{dt} =\int_0^{\infty}\frac {\partial log(tu)}{\partial t}K(u)du=\frac{1}{t}\int_0^{\infty}K(u)du=\frac{1}{t}I_1\\I_2=I_1\int \frac {dt}{t}=I_1[log(t)+C]$$Setting ##t=1## we get$$I_2=I_1C$$ and extending this procedure to ##I_3## we find,$$\frac{dI_3}{dt} =\frac{2}{t}I_2\\I_3=2I_1C^2 $$ and by induction,$$I_n=(n-1)!C^{n-1}I_1$$As n goes to infinity the series is clearly divergent and nonphysical unless ##C=0##. Therefore the series only has one term with ##n=1##.
Salam,
Fred
 
Fred Wright,

Using the OPs notation, ## I_i = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} m^{i-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm ##, for odd ##i## it is clear that the integrand is non-negative for all real ##m##, and the only place it is zero is at the origin. So these integrals cannot be zero.

Jason
 
Strum,

I believe that contour integration can help you solve this, but the result will be messy. Since your integral is well defined we know
$$ I_n = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} m^{n-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm = \lim_{R\rightarrow \infty}\int_{-R}^{R} m^{n-1} \cosh(m)^{-4} dm$$
I am using ##n## for the index so we don't confuse it with the imaginary number ##i##.

Define the function ##f(z) = z^{n-1} \cosh^{-4} z## for compex ##z##, and integrate it around a rectangular contour. The lower segment of the contour is along the real axis from ##z=-R## to ##z=R##, the right segment of the contour is vertical from ##z=R## to ##z=R+i\pi##, the top of the contour is horizontal from ##z=R+i\pi## to ##z=-R+i\pi##, and the left side of the contour is from ##z=-R+i\pi## to ##z=-R##. I believe the integrals along the right and left sides vanish as ##R\rightarrow \infty##, and sum of the top and bottom integrals yields ##2 I_n##. Now use the residue theorem, noting that the integrand has a single fourth order pole inside the contour at ##z=i\pi/2##. Computing the residue will be messy, but it seems like this approach should work.

EDIT: I was wrong in the above paragraph. The integral along the top of the contour is messy due to the ##(z+i\pi)^{n-1}## term. I think this approach still works, but tue contour integral of ##I_5##, for example, will be in terms of ##I_3## and ##I_1##.

Good luck.

jason
 
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