Help with Solving Indefinite Integral

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The discussion revolves around solving the indefinite integral $$\int\sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x^3}}dx$$ and its connection to a second-order differential equation $$y''+y-\dfrac{y}{1+x^3}=0$$. Participants explore the complexity of the integral and the differential equation, discussing potential methods for finding solutions, including numerical approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with the integral, indicating difficulty in solving it.
  • Another participant mentions that the anti-derivative involves elliptic integrals of the first and second kind and suggests providing context for better assistance.
  • Several participants note that the integral arises from a differential equation, with one providing the equation explicitly.
  • Discussion includes attempts to approximate solutions to the differential equation, with one participant proposing an analytic series expansion around x=0.
  • Participants express that the differential equation is challenging, with one suggesting that a numerical solution may be more feasible than an analytic one.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the difficulty of the integral and the associated differential equation, with multiple views on the feasibility of finding an analytic solution versus a numerical one. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods for approximating solutions, including series expansions and numerical methods, but do not reach a consensus on the most effective approach. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the solvability of the integral and the differential equation.

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Hi, I tried to solve this integral
$$\int\sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x^3}}dx$$
but i can't solve it...
can someone help me?
 
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According to wolframalpha, the anti-derivative involves elliptic integrals of the first and second kind. Make certain you have copied the problem correctly, and perhaps also provide some context from which this integral derives. There are folks here who are quite good at advanced integrals, and this information may provide enough context to be useful to them. :D
 
thanks for your answer, this integral is a consequence of an attempt to solve this differential equation $y''+y-\dfrac{y}{1+x^3}=0$...
 
laura123 said:
thanks for your answer, this integral is a consequence of an attempt to solve this differential equation $y''+y-\dfrac{y}{1+x^3}=0$...

The ODE You have to solve is...

$\displaystyle y^{\ ''} + y\ \frac{x^{3}}{1 + x^{3}}= 0\ (1)$

... isn't it?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
yes $\chi\sigma$, it seems simple...apparently
 
laura123 said:
yes $\chi\sigma$, it seems simple...apparently

May be it seems... but in fact it is hard!... the second order ODE...

$\displaystyle y^{\ ''} + y\ \frac{x^{3}}{1+x^{3}}\ (1)$

... is linear homogeneous and that means that the solution is of the form...

$\displaystyle y(x) = c_{1}\ u(x) + c_{2}\ v(x)\ (2)$

... where u(*) and v(*) are independent solutions of (1). An asyntotic solution for x>>1 of course is...

$\displaystyle y(x) \sim c_{1}\ \cos x + c_{2}\ \sin x\ (3)$

... but what what does it happen for more small values of x?... one attempt to approximate the solution is to suppose that y(x) is analytic in x=0, so that is...

$\displaystyle y(x)= a_{0} + a_{1}\ x + a_{2}\ x^{2} + ...\ (4)$

For semplicity we suppose also that is $y(0)= 1 \implies a_{0}=1$ and $y^{\ '}(0)=0 \implies a_{1}=0$ so that the problem is to compute the succesive derivatives. From (1) we derive directly...

$\displaystyle y^{\ ''} = - y\ \frac{x^{3}}{1+x^{3}} = 0\ \text{in}\ x=0\ (5)$

Proceeding from (5) we have...

$\displaystyle y^{(3)} = - 3\ y\ \frac{x^{2}}{(1+x^{3})^{2}} - y^{\ '}\ \frac{x^{3}}{1+x^{3}}= 0\ \text{in}\ x=0\ (6) $

$\displaystyle y^{(4)} = y\ \frac{12\ x^{2} - 6\ x}{(1+x^{3})^{3}} - y^{\ '}\ \frac{6\ x^{2}}{(1+x^{3})^{2}} - y^{\ ''}\ \frac{x^{3}}{1+x^{3}} = 0\ \text{in}\ x=0\ (7) $

$\displaystyle y^{(5)} = - 6\ y\ \frac{14\ x^4 - 8\ x^{3} - 4\ x + 1}{(1 + x^{3})^{4}} + ... = -6\ \text{in}\ x=0\ (7)$

If we stop now the approximate solution near x=0 is...

$\displaystyle y(x) \sim 1 - \frac{x^{5}}{20}\ (8)$

If more precision is requested we can go ahead but the task is very inconfortable... at least for me (Worried)... A numerical solution is clearly preferable...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Thanks $\chi\ \sigma$, in effect this equation is very hard to solve... I think that is impossible to find an analytic solution.. The numerical solution seems to be the only way at moment...
 
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