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The discussion centers on a request for assistance with an integration problem where the user struggles to understand the transition from the initial expression to the final result. The user has attempted various methods, including u-substitution and trigonometric substitution, but has not succeeded due to confusion over the variable x in the numerator and the bounds. A suggestion is made to treat x as a constant during integration and to consider trigonometric substitution involving a right triangle setup. The conversation emphasizes that the integration should be manageable with basic calculus techniques, despite the user's initial difficulties. Overall, the thread highlights the importance of understanding variable roles and appropriate substitution methods in integration.
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Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

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thaboy said:
Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

Please see attached image!
What about ##y = x \sinh u##?
 
PeroK said:
What about ##y = x \sinh u##?
Perhaps, but my professor said it'll take no more than a simple Calc 1 integration and it's been a while since I've seen that kind of technique
 
thaboy said:
Perhaps, but my professor said it'll take no more than a simple Calc 1 integration and it's been a while since I've seen that kind of technique
That substitution works and is a technique that every physics or maths student should be comfortable with.
 
thaboy said:
Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

Please see attached image!
From your image:
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First of all: You do realize (I hope) that in this integral, y is the variable of integration, and x is to be treated as if it's a constant. Right?

So the indefinite integral associated with your expression is:

## \displaystyle \int \frac{a}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{3/2}} du ##

Use trig substitution or @PeroK's suggestion. No way do we know what your professor's method was.

For trig substitution: Set up a right triangle with acute angle ##\theta##. Seems obvious for the length of the hypotenuse to be ##\sqrt{a^2+u^2}## .
I chose ##u## as the length of the opposite leg, ##a## as length of adjacent leg.

I used ##\tan(\theta)## to get ##du##. The algebra can be worked out without too much difficulty. Using ##\cos(\theta)## instead, also works out with similar difficulty.

Notice that if you use ##\sin(\theta) = \dfrac{u}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{1/2}}## to get ##du##, you get a rather messy result for the derivative of the RHS. However, if you make the effort to simplify that messy result, you find that the derivative is nearly the same as the integrand, ##\dfrac{a}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{3/2}} ##. It's only different by a constant factor (multiple). In other words: this (the RHS, above) gives an anti-derivative without actually completing the trig substitution.
 
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Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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