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The discussion revolves around an integration problem, specifically focusing on the transition from an initial expression to a final result. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the calculations performed by their professor and seeks assistance in understanding the integration process, particularly with respect to the variable x in the numerator and the bounds of integration.

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  • Participants discuss various integration techniques, including u-substitution and trigonometric substitution. The original poster mentions difficulties with the variable x and the bounds. Some participants suggest specific substitutions, while others reflect on the simplicity of the integration method as indicated by the professor.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the integration problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of variables and the use of trigonometric substitution, but there is no clear consensus on the method to be used.

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There is a mention of the need to treat x as a constant during integration, which raises questions about the setup of the problem. The original poster has also referenced an attached image that presumably contains the integral in question, but the details of this image are not provided in the discussion.

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Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

Please see attached image!
 

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thaboy said:
Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

Please see attached image!
What about ##y = x \sinh u##?
 
PeroK said:
What about ##y = x \sinh u##?
Perhaps, but my professor said it'll take no more than a simple Calc 1 integration and it's been a while since I've seen that kind of technique
 
thaboy said:
Perhaps, but my professor said it'll take no more than a simple Calc 1 integration and it's been a while since I've seen that kind of technique
That substitution works and is a technique that every physics or maths student should be comfortable with.
 
thaboy said:
Summary:: I just need to know how we got from the 'beginning point' to the 'end point'/'answer'.

The left side is where we start and my professor did a bunch of calculations so fast that I wasn't able to understand how he got the result on the right side.

Could someone help me integrate this? I tried u-sub, trig, but had no luck so far. The x on the numerator is what's messing me up and I think the bounds too.

Please see attached image!
From your image:
1575322737595.png


First of all: You do realize (I hope) that in this integral, y is the variable of integration, and x is to be treated as if it's a constant. Right?

So the indefinite integral associated with your expression is:

## \displaystyle \int \frac{a}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{3/2}} du ##

Use trig substitution or @PeroK's suggestion. No way do we know what your professor's method was.

For trig substitution: Set up a right triangle with acute angle ##\theta##. Seems obvious for the length of the hypotenuse to be ##\sqrt{a^2+u^2}## .
I chose ##u## as the length of the opposite leg, ##a## as length of adjacent leg.

I used ##\tan(\theta)## to get ##du##. The algebra can be worked out without too much difficulty. Using ##\cos(\theta)## instead, also works out with similar difficulty.

Notice that if you use ##\sin(\theta) = \dfrac{u}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{1/2}}## to get ##du##, you get a rather messy result for the derivative of the RHS. However, if you make the effort to simplify that messy result, you find that the derivative is nearly the same as the integrand, ##\dfrac{a}{\left( a^2+u^2 \right) ^{3/2}} ##. It's only different by a constant factor (multiple). In other words: this (the RHS, above) gives an anti-derivative without actually completing the trig substitution.
 
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