Help with Vectors: Force of Friction problem

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The problem involves a sled being pulled at a constant speed with a force applied at an angle above the horizontal. The original poster seeks to determine the force of friction acting on the sled, given the pulling force and its angle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the problem's wording, particularly regarding the horizontal surface and the components of the pulling force. There are questions about how to calculate the horizontal component of the force and the relationship between this component and the force of friction.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the concept of vector components, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

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There is uncertainty about the wording of the problem, particularly regarding the precision of the applied force and the setup of the scenario. Participants are also grappling with the concept of vector components in two dimensions.

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"Mr Mcgoo pulls a sled with several children on it at a constant speed. If he pulls with a force of 329.461 N at an angle of 17° above the horizontal, what is the force of friction on the sled?"



Not sure if i even drew the picture right(is it like a triangle, but it doesn't say hill, don't understand the whole "horizontal" thing), but i can't figure how to solve this.



I drew a picture(which may have been incorrect) and identified the Fρ(parallel force) as being 329.461 N and i need to find Ff. I also have the knowledge that Ff is the equal and opposite of Fρ.
 
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Hi Leon welcome to PF!

Looks like perhaps the sled is being pulled along a level surface, and the pulling force of 329 N is applied at an angle 17 degrees above the horizontal. Wording is not fully clear, but that is how I would read it. What is the component of that pulling force in the horizontal direction?
 
Not sure what you mean by component? Do you mean direction, if so, I am not sure, just assuming east.
 
LeonM said:
Not sure what you mean by component? Do you mean direction, if so, I am not sure, just assuming east.
Yes, any vector directed in two dimensions can be thought of as having an influence in two different directions. That is, it can be thought of as having two parts. Each part of a two-dimensional vector is known as a component. If the sled is moving left to right (west to east), the force F, applied 17 degrees above the horizontal, can be broken up into its easterly and northerly components, using basic trig and the properties of a right triangle. What is the easterly component of F? What is the direction of the friction force? Is the friction force equal to the easterly component of F? Why?
 
Right, Right. So the east component would be 329.461 N, which would give you the adjacent side of 17°. After finding all the sides I will have my Fp which would be the hypotenuse, and Ff is equal or opposite Fp(my answer). If I am not mistaken?
 
First, I am not sure if you are describing the problem correctly. How exactly is it worded? I don't know why the problem would give an applied force accurate to the nearest thousandth of a Newton. The applied force is the hypotenuse. The horizontal component must be calculated.
 

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