Herztian dipole + radiation patterns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics of Hertzian dipoles and their radiation patterns, particularly focusing on the shape of the electric field (E-field) pattern and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields in this context. Participants explore theoretical aspects and visual representations of these patterns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Hertzian dipole as having two terminals connected to a transmission line feeder, which produces EM waves and suggests that the E-field pattern is donut-shaped.
  • Another participant agrees with the general idea but questions the analogy made with charges in the Earth's magnetic field, elaborating on the oscillating nature of the electric field lines and introducing the magnetic component of the field.
  • A different participant points out that Hertzian dipoles are shorter than a half-wave dipole but claims they have similar radiation patterns, suggesting a more general perspective on the E-field propagation.
  • This participant introduces a spherical coordinate system to describe the fields around the dipole and discusses the polarization of the fields in different planes.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the term "above," with one participant emphasizing the distinction between viewing angles and the effective aperture of the dipole.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of "above" in relation to the H-plane and suggests that the ends of the dipole fall in the E-plane, prompting further discussion on directional terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and interpretation of the dipole's orientation and the nature of the E-field pattern. There is no clear consensus on the analogies used or the definitions of directional terms, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the dipole's dimensions and the implications of viewing angles remain unresolved. The discussion includes various interpretations of the E-field and H-field orientations, which may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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Currently reading over some lecture notes on Hertzian dipoles and I want to confirm my understanding on why the E-field pattern is donut shaped.

1) The Herztzian (aka. 1/2 wave ) diploe has two terminals attached to a transmission line feeder. The feeder sends RF current into the terminals which in turn produce EM waves.

2) Since the transmission line feeder itself consists of current going from one side to another, it is natural that the E-field component of the waves travel from one terminal to another (producing a circular pattern, similar to charges in the Earth's magnetic field)

3) Viewing this pattern from above, one can see the "donut" shaped pattern of the E-field

Thoughts, comments ??

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in any concept or theory
 
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I don't know about the phrase "similar to charges in the Earth's magnetic field", but other than that I think you're on the right track. At any point in time, there will be electric field lines "spraying out" of the positive side of the dipole, wrapping around kind of like a donut and crunching together to squeeze into the negative side of the dipole. The polarity (i.e. the direction of the field, forward or backward, along those lines) will be oscillating back and forth.

It is also helpful not to forget about the magnetic component of the field. Since you have a current in a wire (the dipole), you also have circles of magnetic field pointing around that wire, approximately like a cylinder with the wire as its axis. Since the current is oscillating back and forth, the magnetic field is oscillating between the two different directions around that cylinder. Since a changing magnetic field produces a changing electric field in circles around it, you can now visualize a changing electric field looping around and through the cylinder of magnetic field, like if you wrap a string through a straw and back around to the same end again. That changing electric field will be a bit like the surface of a donut, where the magnetic field is kind of like rings of cream filling inside.

Oh, God, I'm so hungry now...
 
JamesGoh said:
1) The Herztzian (aka. 1/2 wave ) diploe has two terminals attached to a transmission line feeder. The feeder sends RF current into the terminals which in turn produce EM waves.

Hertzian dipoles are much shorter than a half-wave - but as far as radiation patterns go, they have roughly the same pattern.

2) Since the transmission line feeder itself consists of current going from one side to another, it is natural that the E-field component of the waves travel from one terminal to another

That's one way of looking at it, but there is a way that can be applied more generally.

Are you familiar with finite element modeling?

In lieu of that, imagine a spherical coordinate system centered on the dipole such that the x-axis is aligned with the elements, and the z-axis is orthogonal to the elements. Define [itex]\theta=0[/itex] as the +z direction, and [itex]\phi=0[/itex] as the x-z plane ([itex]\theta>0[/itex] on the +x side).

If we restrict ourselves to [itex]\phi=0[/itex], the currents in the dipole have no projection perpendicular to the plane, so the fields of this plane would be considered aligned with theta (theta-polarized). Similarly, if we restrict ourselves to [itex]\phi=90[/itex] (the y-z plane), the currents in the dipole have no projection in the plane, so the fields of this plane would be considered aligned with phi (phi-polarized).

3) Viewing this pattern from above, one can see the "donut" shaped pattern of the E-field

What you are calling "above", I would call "a distant point on the x-axis" (defined above). The fields are zero in that direction because the effective aperture is zero.

I'm sure you're aware that the 3D "picture" you describe has an arbitrary size in 3D space. The three dimensions of the pattern you refer to are two spherical angles, and one magnitude (represented as r). It is assumed that the pattern is at constant radius in 3D space, and beyond [itex]\frac{2D^2}{\lambda}=\frac{\lambda}{2}[/itex] the pattern does not change significantly with increasing r.

Care to venture a guess where r=0 with respect to the dipole? :smile:

Regards,

Bill
 
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Antenna Guy said:
What you are calling "above", I would call "a distant point on the x-axis" (defined above). The fields are zero in that direction because the effective aperture is zero.

"Above" refers to the H-plane (or viewing the circular ends of the 2 rods).

Please feel free to correct me
 
JamesGoh said:
"Above" refers to the H-plane (or viewing the circular ends of the 2 rods).

Please feel free to correct me

Well - a plane isn't a direction, but I know what you mean.

Consider that "above" is (typically) a different direction when one considers a dipole "above" a ground plane.

Regards,

Bill

[addendum: The ends of the dipole fall in the E-plane, not the H-plane]
 
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