Higgs field issues of detection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the detection of the Higgs field and the properties of Higgs bosons, exploring theoretical implications, methodologies for detection, and the nature of bosons in relation to superfluidity and Bose-Einstein condensates.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Higgs boson, being a boson, should conform to the rules of superfluidity or a Bose-Einstein condensate, leading to the idea that all Higgs bosons act as one particle due to their field filling all space.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that helium gas, which is composed of bosons, cannot be a superfluid, indicating that helium can indeed become superfluid under certain conditions.
  • A participant references the Higgs field as a superfluid of charged particles, discussing its implications for superconductivity and the behavior of electric and magnetic fields within a superconductor.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of trapping and cooling Higgs bosons to form a Bose-Einstein condensate, noting their instability and short lifetimes as significant obstacles.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others, indicating a willingness to ponder the complexities of the discussion further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the properties of bosons, superfluidity, and the detection of the Higgs field. There is no consensus on the feasibility of detecting the Higgs boson or the implications of its properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of bosons and superfluidity, as well as unresolved questions regarding the methodology for detecting the Higgs field and the nature of the Higgs boson itself.

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my view. The current theory of the higgs field is based on the higgs boson.
Now a boson, in theory has to conform to the rules of super-fluidity or a Bose-Einstein Cond.
I can confer because of this, All higgs bosons, would be interlocked as a field acting as one particle.

I can say that since its fills all space in the universe that there is no reference point to observe it from. Also because its a boson that this field would take on heat across the entire higgs field and you would not be able to break a particle from it.

also it can give a good reason why entropy can never be 0.

I am not doubting the higgs field but I fail to see how using particle acceleration it would be possible to detect directly, though we could learn some about how w and z interact with it.Now many folks believe you can observe it and I would like to learn what methodology we are hoping to use.

edit. ps I would like to state this argument is valid only if a Higgs particle is indeed a boson
 
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That's simply not true. Helium gas is composed of bosons and is not a superfluid.
 
helium gas can become a superfluid I don't understand?

this from
"In particle language, the constant Higgs field is a superfluid of charged particles, and a charged superfluid is a superconductor. Inside a superconductor, the gauge electric and magnetic fields both become short-ranged, or massive." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism

also helium can be a bosonic-composite but never and elemental bosonin other words helium 4 can be made into a superfluid and changed back but an elemental boson does not have that option.
 
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poreguppy said:
helium gas can become a superfluid
"In particle language, the constant Higgs field is a superfluid of charged particles, and a charged superfluid is a superconductor. Inside a superconductor, the gauge electric and magnetic fields both become short-ranged, or massive." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism

The Wikipedia article on the Higgs mechanism was a mess the last time I looked at it (in 2009). The "Higgs field" in the two sentences you quote refers to the Higgs doublet, as opposed to the Higgs boson. The Higgs boson is the degree of freedom that remains after the other three components of the Higgs doublet are "eaten" by the W and Z. It's the latter process that is analogous to the photon field "eating" the Cooper pair condensate in a superconductor. There have to be better ways to phrase this.

In order to produce a Bose-Einstein condensate, the bosons have to be trapped and cooled to extremely low temperatures -- it took 70 years and a couple of Nobel prizes to develop this technology. It will never be possible to trap and cool a whole bunch of Higgs bosons. Among other difficulties, they are unstable particles with extremely short lifetimes; they would decay before a Bose-Einstein condensate could form.
 
thanks that clears me up a bit. Gives me something to ponder for a bit :)
 
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