Is the higgs boson the mediator of the higgs field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of the Higgs boson in relation to the Higgs field, specifically whether the Higgs boson acts as a mediator of the Higgs field. Participants explore various interpretations of the Higgs boson and its interactions, referencing lectures and sources that present differing views on the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about whether the Higgs boson is the mediator of the Higgs field, citing Leonard Susskind's lecture which suggests the Higgs boson is an excited state of the Higgs field rather than a mediator.
  • Others argue that the Higgs boson can be considered a mediator of the Higgs interaction, similar to how photons mediate electromagnetic interactions.
  • A participant points out that Susskind introduces the concept of a "ziggs boson," which they interpret as a separate entity that may act as the mediator for mass acquisition, complicating the understanding of the Higgs boson's role.
  • Some contributions clarify that fields have excitations rather than mediators, suggesting that the Higgs boson represents an excitation of the Higgs field rather than a mediator in the traditional sense.
  • There are references to the Goldstone boson and its relationship to the Higgs boson, with discussions on how these concepts relate to mass generation in the Standard Model.
  • Participants express the need for further clarification on the role of the Higgs boson in particle interactions with the Higgs field and mass acquisition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the Higgs boson serves as a mediator of the Higgs field. Multiple competing views are presented, with some arguing for its mediating role and others suggesting it is merely an excitation of the field.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to various interpretations and explanations from different sources, highlighting the complexity and ongoing debates within the theoretical framework surrounding the Higgs boson and Higgs field.

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Thanks. I agree that we can't expect the authors to get everything exactly right. Somebody had to tell them those things. Oversimplification is highly probable, but I think they did an amazingly good job. In your first link, the authors admitted that they used gross oversimplification. In the second one they said ``virtual particle'' is a problematic term. I found the first one a little ad-hoc. They seemed to have a "two-worlds" theory with a "position-space universe" and a "momentum-space universe." Still, I appreciate the links. I was, however, more interested in the Higgs mechanism.
 
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StandardsGuy said:
Oversimplification is highly probable, but I think they did an amazingly good job.
As a basis for learning more about the standard model and the Higgs mechanism (the context in which is was quoted) - not really. As something to give a lay reader a sense of exciting things happening - better. The second is what it was written for, after all.

In your first link, the authors admitted that they used gross oversimplification.
Both links are oversimplified - I can give you a link to the actual, unsimplified, stuff if you like: how's your maths?

Note: If those are "gross simplifications" - where does that leave the quoted passage, that was the context, which is even more oversimplified still?

In the second one they said ``virtual particle'' is a problematic term.
... and they explained why it is problematic and addressed the problem in a way that illustrated why the associated part of the LiveScience article was "baloney"... in an accessible way.

I found the first one a little ad-hoc. They seemed to have a "two-worlds" theory with a "position-space universe" and a "momentum-space universe."
The position and momentum spaces are Fourier transforms of each other - they describe the same World.

Still, I appreciate the links. I was, however, more interested in the Higgs mechanism.
Well, when you asked the question, you wrote that you were interested in the truth by the opinion of Bill_K. I hoped that I'd interpreted your intention correctly... you asked about a passage Bill_K had criticized which was quoted from a LiveScience article linked to earlier.

The quoted passage made no reference to the Higgs mechanism.
phy-infinite quoted it.
You asked about it.
You got an answer.

Please understand: In order to get a good idea about the Higgs mechanism, the interested student really needs a better picture of the standard model than the LiveScience article gives you.

Perhaps something like:
Bernstein J. Spontaneous symmetry breaking, gauge theories, the Higgs mechanism and all that (1974) Rev Mod Phys.

Maybe:
Organtini G. Unveiling the Higgs mechanism to students Eur. J. Phys. 33 (2012) 1397-1406

There are no end of lecture summaries:
i.e. http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/pasi/HiggsbosonLecture1.pdf

Basically you'll need to pick one that is suitable to your education.
Enjoy.
 

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