Higgs production cross section

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the gluon-gluon fusion cross section for the Standard Model Higgs boson with a mass of 125 GeV, particularly at a center-of-mass energy of 14 TeV. Participants explore various calculations, including NLO and NNLO approaches, and the implications of using different orders of perturbation theory in estimating uncertainties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy between the gluon-gluon fusion cross section values found in different sources, specifically 49.47 pb from a CERN twiki page and approximately 37 pb from an arXiv reference, both being NLO calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the first value is derived from NNLO QCD calculations, while the second is NLO, suggesting that electroweak processes contribute minimally to the difference.
  • A participant questions whether it is valid to calculate the cross section at LO or NLO while incorporating uncertainties from NNLO calculations, referencing a specific paper that employs this approach.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the consistency of using NNLO uncertainties for LO calculations, emphasizing the choice between using the latest calculations or a consistent set of calculations.
  • Another participant mentions a NNNLO calculation that shows significant improvements in scale-dependence compared to NLO and NNLO, questioning the rationale behind using NNLO uncertainties for LO calculations.
  • Further discussion highlights the specific methodology of a referenced paper that uses LO formulas for new physics while citing NNLO uncertainties, raising questions about the normalization of cross sections and the values considered for the Standard Model cross section.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using NNLO uncertainties in conjunction with LO calculations, indicating a lack of consensus on this methodological approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these discrepancies and the validity of the comparisons made in the referenced paper.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculations involve different orders of perturbation theory (LO, NLO, NNLO, NNNLO), which may lead to varying results and uncertainties. The discussion highlights the complexities and dependencies of these calculations on specific definitions and assumptions.

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Hi all,

I try to find the exact calculated gluon- gluon fusion cross section for the SM- Higgs with mass 125 GeV, for instance at CME = 14 TeV.

I found on twiki page:
" https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LHCPhysics/CERNYellowReportPageAt1314TeV#s_14_0_TeV "

##\sigma(gg \to h) = 49.47~ pb##

while in reference like "arXiv:hep-ph/0503172 ", table(3.2):

##\sigma(gg \to h) \sim 37 ~ pb##

Both calculations are NLO, but why there is this difference ?
 
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The first one is NNLO QCD. For electroweak processes it is just NLO but those should be a small contribution. The NLO calculation discusses some NNLO effects but I don't understand what exactly they do.
 
So I wonder can we calculate ## \sigma (gg \to h) ## at LO or NLO like in " arXiv:hep-ph/0503172 ",

while take the uncertainties (the standard deviation ) from NNLO calculations ?

The following paper " arXiv:1206.5047 [hep-ph]" made that in Fig. (1). While they use LO formula for the production cross section Equ. (5), they cite the Cern twiki page for ## \sigma1~ \mbox{and}~ \sigma2 ##,

is this consistent to take the uncertainty from NNLO calculation for a cross section calculated at LO?
 
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Safinaz said:
is this consistent ?

Virtually nothing that is done is consistent. Your choice is a) the latest calculations, or b) a consistent set of calculations. Most people choose a).

For Higgs production, the state of the art is N3LO, Anastasiou et al. PRL 114, 212001 (2015)
 
Hi,

I added my last sentence :) , I hope it's clear enough.
 
Here is the NNNLO calculation. They also compare LO, NLO, NNLO and NNNLO in figure 2. The difference between NLO and NNLO is ~10/pb, although both still show significant scale-dependence. NNNLO is significantly better in terms of scale-dependence. Note that the plot is for 13 TeV. Figure 3 includes 14 TeV bands, the same difference is visible there.

I don't understand how you would take a NNLO calculation for a LO uncertainty. Where is the point in having an uncertainty on LO if you have a NNLO calculation?
 
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I don't understand how you would take a NNLO calculation for a LO uncertainty. Where is the point in having an uncertainty on LO if you have a NNLO calculation?

It's this paper " arXiv:1206.5047 [hep-ph]", as you see for Fig. (1), they take the uncertainty 14.7 % from [10] , which are NNLO. While they use LO formula, ( Equ.5 )for the new physics ( NP) ## gg \to h ## cross section.

Even I don't know in Fig. (1), when they normalized ## \sigma_{NP} ## by ## \sigma_{SM} ## which value for ## \sigma_{SM} ## they considered, did they calculate it at LO or they just take [10] value .
 
Safinaz said:
It's this paper " arXiv:1206.5047 [hep-ph]", as you see for Fig. (1), they take the uncertainty 14.7 % from [10] , which are NNLO. While they use LO formula, ( Equ.5 )for the new physics ( NP) ## gg \to h ## cross section.
Those are different things.
As far as I understand it, they compare the cross-section for (LO NP + NNLO SM) with (NNLO SM), and use the NNLO SM uncertainty (which is independent of new physics) as comparison: if the NP prediction is within the uncertainties of the SM calculation, the cross-section alone is not sufficient to see new physics.
 

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