High energy beta particles (6 to 22 MeV)

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The discussion revolves around the effects of high-energy beta particles (6 to 22 MeV) on isotopes, specifically whether such radiation can influence the nucleus of isotopes like copper-65 and copper-63, potentially leading to the formation of their unstable neighbors, copper-64 and copper-62. Participants explore theoretical explanations and experimental observations related to this topic.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether high-energy beta radiation can affect the nucleus of isotopes, rather than just causing ionization.
  • Another participant discusses the possibility of high-energy electrons causing neutron ejection from the nucleus, referencing photoneutron reactions and electrodisintegration as relevant processes.
  • A specific reaction is proposed where copper isotopes interact with high-energy electrons to produce unstable isotopes and neutrons.
  • A participant shares experimental results from a scintillation counter, noting a peak at 210 keV and seeking information on possible decay processes that could explain this peak.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed peak could be due to various factors, including x-rays from the detector itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of high-energy beta particles on isotopes, with some proposing specific nuclear reactions while others raise questions about the nature of the observed experimental data. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the theoretical implications and the source of the experimental peak.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the theoretical mechanisms involved and the dependence on specific conditions for the proposed reactions. The discussion also highlights the need for further investigation into the experimental results and potential sources of error.

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we have a question about highly energized beta particles (6 to 22 MeV). Is it possible fore this radiation to affect the nucleus of an isotope and not just ionize it?
We have a question about highly energized beta particles (6 to 22 MeV). Is it possible fore this radiation to affect the nucleus of an isotope and not just ionize it?

In our case a copper-65 and copper- 63 isotope become their unstable neighbors Cu-64 and Cu-62 due to the high beta radiation.
we could not find the theoretical explanation for this on the internet so we would be glad if someone could help out :)
 
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If a highly energetic electron or photon of sufficient energy (e.g., binding energy of a neutron), then a neutron can be ejected from the nucleus. I'm more familiar with so-called photoneutron reactions in which high energy gammas can knock out neutrons from a nucleus, but I have seen discussions of MeV electrons having the same effect, although it is known as 'electrodisintegration'.

One could determine the binding energy needed to release a neutron by (mA + mn - m(A+1))c2 in appropriate units, e.g., MeV

For example, see - https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/44/026/44026235.pdf
"Neutron contamination around LINACs for radiotherapy isa source of undesirable doses forthe patient. The main source of these neutrons isthe photonuclear reactions occurring in the LINAC head and the patient body. Electrons also produce neutrons through (e, e’n) reactions.This reaction is known as electrodisintegration and is carried out by the electron scattering that produce a virtual photon that is absorbed by the scattering nucleus producing the reaction e+A → (A-1) + n + e ́."

So, in one's example, 65Cu + e => 64Cu + n + e', and 63Cu + e => 62Cu + n + e'

If one wants to get exotic - https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020NIMPA.95461747Y/abstract
 
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thanks for the help you gave us!
we have continued with a measure of the given material that with a Scintillation counter which gives the following result.
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this gives us a peak at 210 keV which is not measured at a background measurement. is there a good site were we can find the possible decay's that may have caused this peak?
 
It could be lots of things, including x-rays from the detector itself.
 

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