High Temp Speakers: 3-4in Diam 300-400F

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The discussion centers around the search for high-temperature speakers suitable for automotive applications, specifically those that can withstand temperatures of 300-400 degrees Fahrenheit and have a diameter of 3-4 inches. Participants explore potential solutions, materials, and designs relevant to this challenge.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the possibility of needing to build custom speakers due to the temperature requirements and questions the necessity of traditional audio speakers versus electromagnetic drive capabilities.
  • Another participant notes the Curie temperature for iron, indicating it is above the required temperature range.
  • Some speakers are mentioned to be made of mylar, which may be relevant for high-temperature applications.
  • Participants discuss the context of noise cancellation at high temperatures and express uncertainty about whether to create their own speakers.
  • One participant raises the idea of using piezo speakers, questioning their suitability for low frequencies.
  • A link to a product is shared, but its frequency range is deemed potentially unsuitable for the application.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for low-frequency capabilities, particularly for exhaust noise cancellation, and mentions the challenge of finding suitable speakers.
  • There is a suggestion to directly mount a piezo element on the exhaust for destructive interference, with considerations for using waveguides.
  • Participants discuss the use of piezo elements for frequency determination and their placement for effective interference.
  • One participant proposes exploring the technology used in Bose speakers, which utilize a folded acoustical path to achieve lower resonant frequencies from smaller speaker packages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and approaches, but no consensus is reached on a specific solution or design for high-temperature speakers. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations regarding the availability of suitable speakers for low frequencies at high temperatures, and there are unresolved questions about the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

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I have been looking for information on or for a company that produces speakers that can withstand temperatures up to around 300-400 degrees F. The speakers would be 3-4 inches in diameter. Anyone with ideas or knowledge in this area would be greatly appreciated. The speakers are for a design project that will be automotive related.
 
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Jason03 said:
I have been looking for information on or for a company that produces speakers that can withstand temperatures up to around 300-400 degrees F. The speakers would be 3-4 inches in diameter. Anyone with ideas or knowledge in this area would be greatly appreciated. The speakers are for a design project that will be automotive related.

Yikes. You might have to end up building your own. What's the Curie temperature for common magnets (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment).

And, um, who is going to be listening to these speakers at that temperature? Is it really audio speakers that you want, or just the electromagnetic drive capability in the audio frequency range?
 
Looks like you're okay on Tc anyway:

wikipedia.org said:
768°C for iron
 
Some are made of mylar.
 
We are working with noise cancelation at these temperatures...and we are considering making our own...but not sure yet...
 
under hood noise cancellation? interesting...
 
what about piezo speakers?
 
Yea we are looking at the frequency range of at least 100hz and higher...mostly low frequency becasue we are working with the exhuast...which we used a spectrum analysis to find the range of...so a speaker with low frequency and higher power...similar to a sub woofer...but in a compact size...hard to find I am sure...
 
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can you directly mount a piezo element on the exhaust itself and drive it for destructive interference?
i couldn't find low freq piezo systems. maybe you can put the speaker away and channel it there with a waveguide(pipe) or something.
 
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we have a piezo element further down the exhuast to determine the frequency so that the speaker can provide destructive interference...The speaker is off the exhuast at a 45 degree angle...which has been tested to provide the best destructive interference...But the problem is getting a speaker to operate at such a low frequency at the high temperatures...
 
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Just a thought -- can you use something like the Bose speaker radios use? With a folded audio resonant path, so that you can use a reasonable-size exciter element, and get reasonably low resonant frequencies from the audio path in the speaker, and not from the driving element itself?...
 
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what do the bose radios use?
 
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Jason03 said:
what do the bose radios use?

I don't know that much about them, but I believe their claim to fame is using a folded acoustical path to get lower resonant frequencies out of a small-ish speaker package. I'm sure they talk about it at their website. Not sure if it will help on your problem, but just a thought for something to check out in case it gives you some ideas...
 

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