High Voltage Discharges or Explosions from Powerlines -- why these colors?

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Discussion Overview

This discussion revolves around the observation of high voltage electrical discharges from power lines, specifically focusing on the colors observed during these events, such as blue and red flashes. Participants explore potential explanations for these phenomena, including atmospheric ionization and transformer failures, while considering the implications of their observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recorded electrical explosions from power lines and noted the color changes from blue to red, suggesting a connection to atmospheric phenomena like Transient Luminous Events.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the video, asking about its duration and the conditions under which it was filmed.
  • A participant clarifies that the GIF shows separate frames indicating a transition from blue to red, asserting the observations were made in Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico, under clear conditions.
  • Some participants propose that the color changes could be due to transformer failures or ionization of air molecules, while others suggest thermal effects from the arc.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of various scenarios contributing to the observed phenomena, such as a fire or a manual circuit breaker operation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the color of an arc is influenced by the gases involved, including those from vaporized electrical components, and cautions against direct comparisons with atmospheric sprites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the causes of the color changes observed in the electrical discharges. There is no consensus on a single explanation, as various hypotheses are presented and explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the situation, noting the influence of various factors such as atmospheric conditions, the nature of the electrical components involved, and the potential for multiple contributing scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying electrical engineering, atmospheric physics, or those curious about the behavior of high voltage systems and their visual manifestations.

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Hi...Here is a GIF of some electrical explosions that I recorded with my full spectrum camera. These power lines supply power to a neighboring county so it didn't affect my area. In the upper atmosphere we see something similar in Transient Luminous Events (TLEs). In the case of the blue in Blue Jets and Gigantic Jets, the blue would be caused by electrons exciting N2 + ion in the stratosphere and the red would be caused by the electrons exciting neutral nitrogen molecules located in the mesosphere.

My question is what could have made these Hi voltage explosions go from blue to red?
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That video raises lots of questions.

The animated GIF repeats. How long is it without repeats?

If this was lightning on power lines, it would not flash every 2 seconds so regularly.

Where was this taken?
Did you make the video yourself?
What was the weather?
How are you sure it is power lines?
 
These are actually 3 separate video captured frames combined to create this GIF to show that at one time the explosion was blue and then later it was red. After the red there was one more blue flash. You can view the video at:

These images were taken in Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico about 2 years ago. Our power grid has been failing for years now and Hurricane Maria has dealt the final blow.
I did take the video myself and actually saw the explosions with my own eyes.
It was a clear night with no signs of any storms nearby, so we can rule out lightning.
I am sure these were high voltage transmission lines because I've seen them. There are no houses where these explosions occurred. These high voltage lines run over the main road and continue to the neighboring county. When you are in your car listening to the radio, you will hear static when you pass under these lines.

Here are the two separate video captures.
 

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astroscout said:
It was a clear night with no signs of any storms nearby, so we can rule out lightning.

then it could have been as simple as a failure in the power grid, transformer failures are reasonably common on their own
without outside help ... stray animals etc
 
Yes, but are the blue and red flashes caused by a chemical in the transformer, if it was a transformer, or is it the ionization of molecules in the air?

Here is a Gigantic Jet lightning event that I photographed back in 2011 that clearly shows the blue ionization and just barely shows the red ionization towards the top.
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My bet is that the red glow is thermal - something got hot during the arc and glows while cooling down.
 
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OK, so it is not blinking every 2 seconds. That really threw me off.

There could be many scenarios. A transformer starts a fire that spreads. A manual attempt to re-close the circuit breaker on a persistent short circuit. Arrival of emergency vehicle on the scene. The video gives far too little clues for informed speculation.

I would not compare it with red/blue sprites in the upper atmosphere like your photo in #5.
 
How much "later"? Could just be something caught on fire.
 
CWatters...It was around 3 minutes later.

anortunda...I was just curious to find out if the blue and the red was caused by ionization of molecules in the air due to the high voltage or if maybe it was a chemical reaction caused by the transformer. I saw a video once of a physicist from the Florida Institute of Technology, that used a Van de Graaff generator to demonstrate what we see in Blue Jets. Here is the video:

 
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I love your curiosity. Keep it. But in this case there are too many possibilities to give an answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_breakdown#Persistent_arcs said:
The color of an arc depends primarily upon the conducting gasses, some of which may have been solids before being vaporized and mixed into the hot plasma in the arc. The free ions in and around the arc recombine to create new chemical compounds, such as ozone, carbon monoxide, and nitrous oxide. Ozone is most easily noticed due to its distinct odour.

In other words, vaporized electrical components contribute to the gasses.

With blue/red sprites high in the atmosphere, we can safely assume normal mixes of gas at altitude, free of contaminants. That is a reason why they don't compare well with this incident.
 
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Thank You anorlunda...I love science and I love contributing what I can to the advancement of it.
 

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