Higher Order Differential Equations, Solutions related

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The discussion revolves around a higher order differential equation of the form t^3y''' - t^2y'' + 2ty' - 2y = 0, with initial conditions specified for y and its derivatives at t = 1. Participants are exploring methods to find a solution that satisfies both the differential equation and the initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of substituting initial condition values directly into the equation, with some questioning the effectiveness of this approach. Others suggest integrating the derived equation multiple times as a potential method. There are also mentions of using substitutions and specific forms for solutions, such as y = tn, and the implications of constant coefficient ordinary differential equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being suggested, including integration and substitutions. Some participants express confusion over the reasoning behind certain steps, indicating a lack of consensus on the best method to proceed. There is no clear resolution yet, but several lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the initial conditions provided, and there is a focus on understanding the nature of the differential equation, which is identified as an Euler or Euler-LaGrange equation. The discussion includes considerations of the implications of repeated roots in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Given the following differential equation
t^3y''' - t^2y'' + 2ty' - 2y = 0; t > 0
Find a solution that satisfies di fferential equation and the initial conditions
y(1) = 3; y'(1) = 2; y''(1) = 1

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I tried plugging in 1 for y, y' and y'', but that gave me t^3y'''-t^2+2t-2=0, which doesn't give me anything... i looked in the book but still am positively stumped... Please help.
 
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I don't understand why you would expect that to work! That would give you the value of y"' at x= 1 but no where else. The fact that they are equal to 1 at x= 1 tells you nothing about their values in general.

That equation simply says that
\frac{d^3y}{dt^3}= \frac{t^2- 2t+ 2}{t^3}= t^{-1}- 2t^{-2}+ 2t^{-3}

Integrate three times.
 
I'm sorry, how did you get that equation?
 
Are you familiar with constant coefficient ode's?

If yes, then make the substitution x=ln(t), and find u(x)=y(e^x).
(Remember that the derivatives of y wrt to t are different, and use the chain rule)
 
This type of DE is called an Euler or Euler-LaGrange equation. Look for a solution of the form y = tn. When you plug that into the DE you will get an equation that you can solve for n. It is similar to what happens for constant coefficient DE's. You can read about them, for example at:

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/EulerEquations.aspx

In particular, that location shows you what happens if you get a repeated root for n.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That equation simply says that
\frac{d^3y}{dt^3}= \frac{t^2- 2t+ 2}{t^3}= t^{-1}- 2t^{-2}+ 2t^{-3}

Integrate three times.

NCyellow said:
I'm sorry, how did you get that equation?

Sometimes we all type before we look closely. I don't think Halls really meant that.
 

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