Highest velocity reached on a hill

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Alexander is trying to calculate the highest velocity of a sled as it descends a 3-meter high hill and travels 12.5 meters on a horizontal surface, factoring in friction. The frictional force on the hill is 85% of that on the ground, leading to confusion about how to incorporate it into the calculations. The discussion emphasizes using energy conservation principles to relate potential and kinetic energy while considering energy lost to friction. Participants suggest starting with the known height and length of the hill to derive the sled's velocity at the bottom. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the importance of understanding the relationship between forces, acceleration, and energy.
  • #31
if the top is 60 then the bottom is 30 degrees!
 
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  • #32
what do I do next?
 
  • #33
Drizzy said:
what do I do next?

You need to start doing more of the work on this! I thought your idea was to calculate the acceleration down the slope?
 
  • #34
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?
 
  • #35
Drizzy said:
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?

You seem to have a habit of writing one line and then stopping. You don't finish what you start. The net force gives you acceleration, which will give you ##v^2##. You need to keep going. Not just write one equation then stop.
 
  • #36
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?
 
  • #37
Drizzy said:
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?

First, you wrote:

##F1 = sin(30)mg##

And just stop.

But, sin(30) = 1/2, so ##F1 = mg/2## That's not complicated!

Then you wrote:

F1 - force of friction = ma

And just stop. With 0.85F = force of friction, you have:

mg/2 - 0.85F = ma ...

As I suggested above, I think this problem is too long and complicated. I think you're not used to putting several ideas together. That said, it's not an easy problem and you can see by all those arrows that your teacher got into a bit of tangle trying to solve it!

Maybe someone else can step in, but I think I've shot my bolt on this.
 

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