Highest velocity reached on a hill

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on calculating the highest velocity of a sled descending a 3-meter high hill and traveling 12.5 meters on horizontal ground, factoring in friction. Participants clarify that the frictional force on the hill is 85% of that on the ground, leading to a focus on energy conservation principles. The key formula utilized is v² = 2as, with gravitational potential energy and work done against friction being critical to the solution. The final velocity is derived by expressing energy lost to friction and potential energy, ultimately leading to the conclusion that mass cancels out in the equations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of gravitational potential energy (PE = mgh)
  • Familiarity with kinetic energy (KE = 1/2 mv²)
  • Knowledge of frictional force calculations (F_friction = μ * F_normal)
  • Basic algebra for manipulating equations and solving for variables
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  • Study energy conservation in physics, focusing on potential and kinetic energy relationships
  • Learn about friction coefficients and their impact on motion
  • Explore the derivation and application of the equations of motion under variable forces
  • Practice solving problems involving inclined planes and friction to solidify understanding
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Students studying physics, particularly those focusing on mechanics, as well as educators looking for examples of energy conservation and friction in real-world applications.

  • #31
if the top is 60 then the bottom is 30 degrees!
 
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  • #32
what do I do next?
 
  • #33
Drizzy said:
what do I do next?

You need to start doing more of the work on this! I thought your idea was to calculate the acceleration down the slope?
 
  • #34
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?
 
  • #35
Drizzy said:
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?

You seem to have a habit of writing one line and then stopping. You don't finish what you start. The net force gives you acceleration, which will give you ##v^2##. You need to keep going. Not just write one equation then stop.
 
  • #36
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?
 
  • #37
Drizzy said:
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?

First, you wrote:

##F1 = sin(30)mg##

And just stop.

But, sin(30) = 1/2, so ##F1 = mg/2## That's not complicated!

Then you wrote:

F1 - force of friction = ma

And just stop. With 0.85F = force of friction, you have:

mg/2 - 0.85F = ma ...

As I suggested above, I think this problem is too long and complicated. I think you're not used to putting several ideas together. That said, it's not an easy problem and you can see by all those arrows that your teacher got into a bit of tangle trying to solve it!

Maybe someone else can step in, but I think I've shot my bolt on this.
 

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