Highest velocity reached on a hill

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The discussion revolves around calculating the highest velocity of a sled descending a hill and moving across a horizontal surface. The hill is described as being 3 meters high and 6 meters long, with the sled traveling 12.5 meters on snow-covered ground. Participants explore the implications of friction, particularly noting that the frictional force on the hill is 85% of that on the ground.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the highest velocity occurring at the bottom of the hill and consider the need to calculate acceleration on both the hill and the horizontal ground. There are questions about the assumptions regarding friction and how to express forces and energy in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem setup, particularly regarding friction and energy. Some guidance has been offered about using energy concepts and algebraic relationships, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the frictional forces involved and the need for specific values or relationships to proceed. There is also mention of the angle of the hill, which adds complexity to the calculations being discussed.

  • #31
if the top is 60 then the bottom is 30 degrees!
 
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  • #32
what do I do next?
 
  • #33
Drizzy said:
what do I do next?

You need to start doing more of the work on this! I thought your idea was to calculate the acceleration down the slope?
 
  • #34
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?
 
  • #35
Drizzy said:
okay so the force down is F1 and the "resulting" force is:

F1-force of friction= m*a

F1= sin(30)*mg

I get that part but then my teacher wrote (2) that the frictional force is equal to m*a2

w8... i think I am getting it.. so on the horizontal fround there won't be a force forward so the only force is the frictional force`?

You seem to have a habit of writing one line and then stopping. You don't finish what you start. The net force gives you acceleration, which will give you ##v^2##. You need to keep going. Not just write one equation then stop.
 
  • #36
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?
 
  • #37
Drizzy said:
How am I supposed to keep going when I don't understand. Can you explain the equation that is marked with the number 2 ?

First, you wrote:

##F1 = sin(30)mg##

And just stop.

But, sin(30) = 1/2, so ##F1 = mg/2## That's not complicated!

Then you wrote:

F1 - force of friction = ma

And just stop. With 0.85F = force of friction, you have:

mg/2 - 0.85F = ma ...

As I suggested above, I think this problem is too long and complicated. I think you're not used to putting several ideas together. That said, it's not an easy problem and you can see by all those arrows that your teacher got into a bit of tangle trying to solve it!

Maybe someone else can step in, but I think I've shot my bolt on this.
 

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