Hollow Shaft Torsion: Power Transmitted Calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the power transmitted by a hollow turbine shaft under torsion, given specific parameters such as rotational speed, external diameter, thickness, and maximum shear stress. The focus is on the application of relevant equations and the resolution of discrepancies in calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for power transmitted using the formula T=J*stress/r and expresses confusion over not arriving at the expected result of 66 GW.
  • Another participant suggests checking units and questions whether the expected result should actually be 66 MW instead of GW.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of diameter instead of radius and the application of the fourth power in torque integration, with one participant emphasizing the need to maintain units with values for clarity.
  • Some participants agree on the correctness of using the fourth power in calculations, while others challenge the accuracy of the radius value and the scaling factor of 10^6.
  • There is a request for clarification on the correct value for radius and the appropriate scaling factor to use in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of certain calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the radius and the scaling factor. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answer, as multiple competing interpretations and calculations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the original calculations, including the need for consistent unit usage and the correct application of formulas. Specific mathematical steps remain unresolved, contributing to the ongoing debate.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and practitioners interested in mechanical engineering, particularly those dealing with torsion in hollow shafts and power transmission calculations.

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Homework Statement



A turbine shaft is to transmit power at 240 rev/min. If the shaft is 1 m external diameter and 25 mm thick and the maximum shear stress is limited to 69 MPa, find the power transmitted.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



T=J*stress/r = pi(1000^4-950^4) * 69/(32*100)

P=(2pi*240*T)/(60*10^6)





The answer should be 66GW whoch I am not getting. Can somebody please help?
 
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Your formulas look basically OK. Check your units.

You mentioned the result should be 66 GW. Check if this should be 66 megawatts (MW).
 
Some quick comments:
- You seem use the diameter instead of radius.
- I don't understand how you can get 4th power when integrating torque.
- It is difficult to check your results when you divorce the scale units from the values. I recommend that you keep the scale and unit with the values so you for instance would write "(240 rev/min)(2.5 MNm)" instead of "(240*2.5)/(60*10^6)"
- For what it is worth I get a value slightly below 66 MW (as edgepflow also mentions), and almost no difference whether I use a properly integrated torque or just a "linearized" approximation.
 
Filip Larsen: Fourth power is correct. I agree with your fourth bullet. Well said.

Solidsam: Your value for radius r is incorrect. And 10^6 is incorrect. Try again.
 
nvn said:
Filip Larsen: Fourth power is correct.

Right, forgot that the stress is not constant along the radius and was also slow in recognizing the polar moment in the first equation used by the OP. My apologies.
 
nvn said:
Solidsam: Your value for radius r is incorrect. And 10^6 is incorrect. Try again.



So what should I do to get the correct answer?

r=500^4-475^4 ?

what should it be instead of 10^6 ?
 
Solidsam: No, your diameters in post 1 were correct, but your value for radius r in post 1 was wrong. See the suggestion in the third bullet of post 3. Try again.
 

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