Homogeneous Equation: 5/2 Degree?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of homogeneous equations, specifically whether a homogeneous equation can be of degree 5/2 and whether it must be an integer degree. The scope includes definitions and interpretations related to non-linear differential equations and the properties of homogeneity in this context.

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  • One participant questions if a homogeneous equation can be of degree 5/2, suggesting uncertainty about the nature of degrees in homogeneous equations.
  • Another participant explains that the power of 5/2 indicates a non-linear differential equation and provides a definition of linear differential equations, noting that the general form of a homogeneous equation occurs when g(x) equals zero.
  • A third participant points out that the term "homogeneous" has multiple meanings in differential equations, clarifying that the intended definition relates to first-order equations and discusses how homogeneity can apply to non-integer degrees, including 5/2.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification and indicates that the initial misunderstanding was resolved, but does not provide a definitive conclusion on the broader question.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the term "homogeneous" and its application to equations of non-integer degree. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of homogeneity in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of definitions surrounding homogeneity in differential equations, particularly the distinction between linear and non-linear cases, and the implications of using non-integer degrees.

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Hi, can a homogeneous equation be homogeneous to the 5/2 degree? Must it be a integer degree?
 
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Hello coffeebean51, welcome to this forum.

Your question involves non-linear differential equations. The power 5/2 makes the equation non-linear. The definition of a linear differential equation is the following. The equation:

[tex]F(x,y,y',...,y^{(n)})=0[/tex]

is linear if F a linear function is of the variables y, y', y'', ... This is not the case with the 5/2 power. The general second order linear differential equation p.e. is:

[tex]y''+p(x)y'+q(x)y=g(x)[/tex]

In case g(x) equal is to 0, you have a homogeneous equation otherwise it is nonhomogeneous. For non-linear differential equations this is more complicated to define, I should look it up. Is this already helping?
 
Unfortunately, there are two uses of the word "homogeneous" in differential equations. The one Coomast is giving applies to linear equations and I do not believe that is what is intended here.

The definition of homogeneous I believe is intended here applies to first order equations: If dy/dx= f(x,y) and replacing both x and y by [itex]\lambda x[/itex] and [itex]\lambda y[/itex] results in exactly the same equation (i.e. the [itex]\lambda[/itex]'s cancel out), then the f can be written in terms of x and y/x and the problem can be simplified by the substitution u= y/x. The "degree" appears when you write the equation as g(x,y)dx+ h(x,y) dy= 0. If replacing x and y by [itex]\lambda x[/itex] and [itex]\lambda y[/itex] in g and h results in [itex]\lambda^\alpha g(x,y)[/itex] and [itex]\lambda^\alpha h(x,y)[/itex], then clearly the [itex]\lambda[/itex] cancels and the equation is homogenous (here of degree [itex]\alpha[/itex]). Yes, [itex]\alpha[/itex] can be any real number and there can be equations that are "homogeneous of degree 5/2.
 
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thanks halls. you were right. i just started this class and wasnt talking about the first homogeneity mentioned. thanks!
 

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