Homogeneous nonlinear function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a function from R² to R that satisfies scalar multiplication but not addition. Participants explore various examples and properties of nonlinear functions, particularly focusing on the conditions outlined by the original poster.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest various functions, including constant functions and polynomials, while questioning their adherence to the required properties. There is exploration of functions like sqrt(x² + y²) and (x³ + y³)^(1/3), with discussions on their limitations regarding scalar multiplication and additivity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance and examples that align with the original poster's criteria, while others express confusion or challenge the validity of certain proposed functions. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify definitions and explore potential examples without reaching a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is emphasis on the significance of the mapping from R² to R, and participants note constraints related to the properties of functions versus relations. The discussion also highlights the challenges of defining functions that meet the specified criteria without ambiguity.

  • #31
cryptic26 said:
The example/non-example of sqrt(x^2+y^2) was not necessarily given by anyone before I posted the same.

post 4, initial guess x^2+y^2, then a first correction to the square root of this, then the assertion that this is close but doesn't quite work, then the comment that the OP might be able to think of a better example (given this one, implicitly, and explicitly by taking note of the title of his/her own thread).
 
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  • #32
matt grime said:
post 4, initial guess x^2+y^2, then a first correction to the square root of this, then the assertion that this is close but doesn't quite work, then the comment that the OP might be able to think of a better example (given this one, implicitly, and explicitly by taking note of the title of his/her own thread).

If you are implying that your statement "like f(x,y)=x^2+y^2, then f(kx,ky)=k^2f(x,y), so that won't do... but can we make it better? Next guess would be to take g(x) as sqrt(f(x)), but no, that gives |k|, not k"

was meant to be sqrt(x^2+y^2), then it is obvious only after your most recent clarification.
 
  • #33
matt grime said:
There is a line in Red Dwarf that is apposite, something along these: I realize that is the same thing, but it seemed important enough for me to say it twice.

Since you've taken it upon yourself to inform at least two people that they are confused and incorrect, when they aren't, then reinforcing the message seems like a good thing.

Although a question can be the beginning of wisdom, a debate can be the reflection of one's ego.

Telling people that they are confused is not something that I usually do - not unless I intend to match their impoliteness (That is other way of saying that you came across as impolite.)
 
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  • #34
cryptic26 said:
If you are implying that your statement "like f(x,y)=x^2+y^2, then f(kx,ky)=k^2f(x,y), so that won't do... but can we make it better? Next guess would be to take g(x) as sqrt(f(x)), but no, that gives |k|, not k"

was meant to be sqrt(x^2+y^2), then it is obvious only after your most recent clarification.

So if i declare f(x)=x^2+y^2, and then declare g(x) to be the square root of f(x), in what way it that not sqrt(x^2+y^2)?
 
  • #35
matt grime said:
So if i declare f(x)=x^2+y^2, and then declare g(x) to be the square root of f(x), in what way it that not sqrt(x^2+y^2)?

Actually, I am hardly doing the homework, I am just a visitor to this forum. But, probably you are just used to having your own way. I think you are just a big headed , ill tempered person. There is an old saying that if you throw a stone at swamp, you will get your shirts dirty. And arguing with you is going to only waste my time. Period.
 
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  • #36
matt grime said:
So if i declare f(x)=x^2+y^2, and then declare g(x) to be the square root of f(x), in what way it that not sqrt(x^2+y^2)?

Very intereting posts and emotions. To be consistent with the original notations of matt, he could have written g(x) to be square root of f(x,y) and not f(x), as he defined f(x,y) and not f(x) to be x^2+y^2.
 
  • #37
quantster said:
Very intereting posts and emotions. To be consistent with the original notations of matt, he could have written g(x) to be square root of f(x,y) and not f(x), as he defined f(x,y) and not f(x) to be x^2+y^2.

I was not planning to write but quantster raised a good point. In fact that was the beginning of the confusion.

In the future make sure to use consistent notations instead of assuming that people shall get some vibe from you and be able to read your mind.
 

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