Homogeneous second order linear ODE

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The discussion revolves around the properties of homogeneous second order linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) of the form ay'' + by' + cy = 0. Participants are exploring the reasoning behind the choice of the exponential function y = e^rx as a solution and questioning the uniqueness of this choice in the context of differential equations.

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  • Participants are examining why the exponential function is selected for solving homogeneous second order ODEs, discussing its unique properties related to linear independence of derivatives. Questions are raised about the possibility of other functions with similar properties and the reasoning behind the choice of e^rx.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the exponential function and its derivatives. Some have clarified the concept of linear independence in relation to the choice of function, while others are still seeking deeper understanding.

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Participants are primarily first-year undergraduates, and the discussion reflects their exploration of foundational concepts in differential equations. There is an emphasis on understanding the reasoning behind mathematical choices rather than applying solutions directly.

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Hey; not much of a homework question, but something i was wanting to find out.

Im still a first year undergraduate and just started on differential equations. We have just finished going over homogeneous 2nd order ODE's of the form:

ay'' + by' + cy = 0

My texbook briefly outlines the solution to any general equation, and from there on simply uses the derived solutions to solve further problems.

The way in which it derives the general solution is by noting that if we let y=e^rx, then the equation becomes:

[tex] ar^2 e^{rx} + bre^{rx} + ce^{rx} = e^{rx} (ar^2 + br + c) = 0[/tex]

And since exp(x) is real and positive for all x, the equation only holds true if:

[tex] ar^2 + br + c = 0[/tex]

Now that all makes sense to me, but what isn't really clear to me is why we just happen to select y=e^rx? Why not some other function? Is there some proof that shows e^rx as the only function to satisfy the conditions? I realize that e^rx is ideal because of the special property that its derivatives are all scalar multiples of itself, but what reason is there to deny the existence of some other function with similar properties?

Thanks for the help; Even a link pointing me in the right direction is apreciated :smile:

Dan.
 
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The idea is that you need some function whose derivatives are not linearly independent, that is, dy/dx = cy. This is separable, that is, dy/y = cdx. Solving yields ln |y| = cx + d. Now let us rearrange to get |y| = (e^d)e^(cx). We can eliminate the absolute value by allowing the e^d term to be negative... call it k. Then

y = k e^(cx).

That's where it comes from, and it is the only function which has derivatives which are not linearly independent to each other and the original function (except one other class of functions: which?)
 
Roughly speaking, In order that [itex]ad^2y/dx^2+ b dy/dx+ cy= 0[/itex], the different derivatives must cancel and, since the coefficients are constants, that means the derivatives must be of the same type as the function y itself. For example, if y= ln(x), then dy/dx= 1/x and [itex]d^2y/dx^2= -1/x^2[/itex] so there is nothing to cancel the "ln x" in the cy term. Of course, exponentials, ekx is the simplest function whose derivative, kekx, is the same type of function.
 
Yes, but the reason why the exponential function is used is given above. It's about linear independence.
 
Ok, I read your first response again and now it make sense!
 

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