Hooke's Law: A Beginner's Guide to Tensor Form and Matrix Form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Hooke's Law in the context of solid state physics, specifically focusing on its representation in tensor form and matrix form. Participants explore the nature of tensors, their roles in relating stress and strain, and the complexities involved in understanding these concepts as presented in their coursework.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of tensors in their solid state physics class, noting a lack of clear explanations in their textbook.
  • Another participant explains that stiffness is represented by a fourth-rank tensor because it relates two second-rank tensors: stress and strain.
  • A participant questions a potential error in an article regarding the relationship between stress, strain, and strain energy density, suggesting a missing factor of one-half in the equations presented.
  • Another participant agrees with the identification of the missing factor and discusses the implications of tensor symmetry in the equations.
  • One participant asserts that the final expression is correct due to the symmetry of the stiffness tensor, suggesting that the two terms in question are equal after summation.
  • Another participant recommends a continuum mechanics book as a resource for better understanding tensor applications in mechanics.
  • There is a clarification regarding the disagreement about the presence of the factor of one-half in the equations, with one participant confirming that they agree with the identification of the missing factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of tensors and the specific equations related to Hooke's Law. While some agree on the identification of a missing factor in the equations, there is no overall consensus on the interpretation of the tensor relationships or the correctness of the original expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding due to the complexity of tensor notation and the lack of comprehensive explanations in their course materials. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and challenges in grasping the mathematical formalism involved.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators in solid state physics, continuum mechanics, and those interested in the application of tensor mathematics in physical contexts may find this discussion relevant.

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Ok I wan't to start by saying I'm in a ridiculous solid state physics class where the stuff we are learning is either poorly explained by our textbook or even non-existent in the text. My teacher asked me the following question ... A single cube-shaped crystal of a simple cubic metal with face normals [100][010][001] has a value of the elastic stiffness constant c11 = cxx = 293 GPa. Write down the generalized form of Hooke's Law, in the tensor form and in the reduced index (matrix) form.

So I just want to say, outside of this class I've never seen a tensor in my life except in classical dynamics which made sense for rotations. We went over tensors for like 20 minutes, where the basic idea of a tensor was described as being an object that calls a particular value a number of times. I have a somewhat ok idea of what a tensor is, though never in my life have I ever had to use them. I have no idea what my teacher is talking about and I can't find good information on the web or in my horrid little Intro to solids Charles Kittel book.

Apparently hookes law is a fourth rank tensor and I have no freakin clue why that is.

Thanks for the replies
 
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Stiffness is represented by a fourth-rank tensor because it couples (relates) two second-rank tensors, stress and strain. And these are tensors because they each couple two vectors (aka first-rank tensors): the stress tensor relates a force vector to a vector representing the direction normal to an area, and the strain tensor relates an initial undeformed vector to the deformed version. Does this help?

http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Elasticity/Constitutive_relations" might be helpful.
 
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Hi, Mapes. Thanks for the link. I was wondering if you could confirm for me a factor-of-two error in that article. Here is the equation sequence that I believe has the error:

[tex]\sigma_{ij}=\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{\epsilon_{ij}}}=C_{ijkl}\ \epsilon_{kl}[/tex]

[tex]w=C_{ijkl}\ \epsilon_{ij}\ \epsilon_{kl}[/tex]

where C is the stiffness tensor, ε is the strain tensor, σ is the stress tensor, and w is the strain energy density. I would replace the last equation with:

[tex]w=\frac{1}{2}\ C_{mnkl}\ \epsilon_{mn}\ \epsilon_{kl}[/tex]

which leads to:

[tex]\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial\epsilon_{ij}}<br /> =\frac{1}{2}\ C_{mnkl}\ \frac{\partial\left(\epsilon_{mn}\ \epsilon_{kl}\right)}{\partial\epsilon_{ij}}<br /> =\frac{1}{2}\ C_{mnkl}\ \frac{\partial\epsilon_{mn}}{\partial\epsilon_{ij}}\ \epsilon_{kl}\ +\ \frac{1}{2}\ C_{mnkl}\ \epsilon_{mn}\ \frac{\partial\epsilon_{kl}}{\partial\epsilon_{ij}}<br /> =\frac{1}{2}\ C_{ijkl}\ \epsilon_{kl}\ +\ \frac{1}{2}\ C_{mnij}\ \epsilon_{mn}[/tex]

and then using the symmetry of C and renaming the dummy indices mn → kl:

[tex]\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial\epsilon_{ij}}=C_{ijkl}\ \epsilon_{kl}[/tex]

Maybe I don't understand their notation.
 
Yep, looks like a missing 1/2 to me too.
 
turin,

Nothing is wrong with the final expression since [tex]C_{ijkl} = C_{klij}[/tex] due to symmetry. After summing on the indices from 1 to 3 the two terms end up being equal. Intuitively, it makes sense because the first derivative of energy wrt object-position gives the object-force or in this case the stress on a unit cell. Which is what you end up with.

modey3
 
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sol66 said:
Ok I wan't to start by saying I'm in a ridiculous solid state physics class where the stuff we are learning is either poorly explained by our textbook or even non-existent in the text. My teacher asked me the following question ... A single cube-shaped crystal of a simple cubic metal with face normals [100][010][001] has a value of the elastic stiffness constant c11 = cxx = 293 GPa. Write down the generalized form of Hooke's Law, in the tensor form and in the reduced index (matrix) form.

So I just want to say, outside of this class I've never seen a tensor in my life except in classical dynamics which made sense for rotations. We went over tensors for like 20 minutes, where the basic idea of a tensor was described as being an object that calls a particular value a number of times. I have a somewhat ok idea of what a tensor is, though never in my life have I ever had to use them. I have no idea what my teacher is talking about and I can't find good information on the web or in my horrid little Intro to solids Charles Kittel book.

Apparently hookes law is a fourth rank tensor and I have no freakin clue why that is.

Thanks for the replies

sol66,

The best place to learn tensor applications in mechanics is by reading a continuum mechanics book. I recommend getting the Schaums Outline for continuum mechanics. That book has served me well in my graduate career.

modey3
 
Modey3 said:
turin,

Nothing is wrong with the final expression since [tex]C_{ijkl} = C_{klij}[/tex] due to symmetry. After summing on the indices from 1 to 3 the two terms end up being equal. Intuitively, it makes sense because the first derivative of energy wrt object-position gives the object-force or in this case the stress on a unit cell. Which is what you end up with.

modey3

Modey3, just to be clear, turin suggests that the "Wikiversity" equation [itex]\frac{1}{2}\bold{\epsilon C\epsilon}= C_{ijkl}\epsilon_{ij}\epsilon_{kl}[/itex] should be [itex]\frac{1}{2}\bold{\epsilon C\epsilon}= \frac{1}{2}C_{ijkl}\epsilon_{ij}\epsilon_{kl}[/itex]; is this what you're disagreeing with?
 
Mapes said:
Modey3, just to be clear, turin suggests that the "Wikiversity" equation [itex]\frac{1}{2}\bold{\epsilon C\epsilon}= C_{ijkl}\epsilon_{ij}\epsilon_{kl}[/itex] should be [itex]\frac{1}{2}\bold{\epsilon C\epsilon}= \frac{1}{2}C_{ijkl}\epsilon_{ij}\epsilon_{kl}[/itex]; is this what you're disagreeing with?

I'm not disagreeing with turin. The guy who wrote the Wiki forgot to add the 1/2.

modey3
 

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