Hooke's Law and differential equations

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation derived from Hooke's Law, expressed as -kx = m(d²x/dt²). Participants explore the nature of the equation and its solutions, particularly in the context of oscillatory motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the general solution of the differential equation, the necessity of both solutions, and the transition from exponential to trigonometric functions. Questions arise about the reasoning behind needing both solutions and the relationship between the forms of the solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the mathematical reasoning behind the solutions and their implications. Some participants provide guidance on the nature of the solutions without reaching a consensus on the necessity of learning differential equations before tackling this problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding differential equations and a suggestion that the problem may not strictly require advanced knowledge in the subject to understand the relationship between the functions and their derivatives.

Gyroscope

Homework Statement


[tex]-kx=m\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex]

I don't know how to solve differential equations, can someone show me how to do it, with this example.
 
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This is an example of a second order differential equation; let's rewrite it as [tex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+\frac{k}{m}x=0[/tex] This will have a general solution of the form x=Aeat. Plug this into the equation and we obtain the equation a2+k/m=0, which gives us the values for a; namely [itex]a=\pm \sqrt{-\frac{k}{m}}=\pm i\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/itex]. Letting [itex]\sqrt{k/m}=\omega[/itex] we obtain [itex]x(t)=Ae^{i\omega t}+Be^{-i\omega t}[/itex]. Now, recognising that this is the form of a sum of cosine and sine functions, we obtain the general solution [itex]x(t)=C\cos(\omega t)+D\sin(\omega t)[/itex]

I hope you follow that; however, if you have not studied differential equations, then I would suggest first learning about first order differential equations, and then moving onto second order equations (although, I suspect you want this solution for a specific purpose).

[edit: I didn't notice that this was in the homework forum, and so a full solution shouldn't be given; however, I suspect from previous posts that you may be self-learning the subject, and so this is not a homework question]
 
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Why do you need both solutions?
 
Gyroscope said:
Why do you need both solutions?

Since both [itex]e^{i\omega t}[/itex] and [itex]e^{-i\omega t}[/itex] are solutions to the equation, then the general solution will be a linear combination of the two, with the constants determined by the boundary conditions.
 
Thanks cristo. How can you pass from e^(something) to cosine and sine functions?
 
Gyroscope said:
Thanks cristo. How can you pass from e^(something) to cosine and sine functions?

Use the definition of complex exponential, namely [itex]e^{\pm i\theta}=\cos\theta \pm i\sin\theta[/itex]. With a bit of rearrangement, we find that [tex]\cos\theta =\frac{1}{2}(e^{i\theta}+e^{-i\theta})[/tex] and [tex]\sin\theta=\frac{1}{2i}(e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta})[/tex]
 
Gyroscope said:

Homework Statement


[tex]-kx=m\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex]

I don't know how to solve differential equations, can someone show me how to do it, with this example.

While the method described above is very useful and practical, don't forget what the equation is asking:

Can you determine which functions x(t) are proportional to minus their second derivatives?

You don't need a [crash] course in differential equations to answer that question.
 

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