Hooke's Law Problem: Linear Increasing Graph

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a graph representing the relationship between force and displacement in the context of Hooke's Law. The original poster questions how a linear increasing graph can adhere to Hooke's Law, which is typically represented by a linear decreasing relationship between force and displacement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of graphing force and displacement, questioning the expected negative slope of Hooke's Law. They consider the effects of zeroing the graph at the equilibrium position and the role of directionality in force and displacement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, offering insights about the representation of magnitudes and the potential for different interpretations of the graph. There is no explicit consensus, but various perspectives on the graph's behavior are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the conventions of plotting forces and whether the graph reflects magnitudes or directional forces. The absence of gravity and the conditions of the experiment are also mentioned as potential factors influencing the interpretation of the graph.

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Homework Statement


All right I have a graph of a spring being pushed by a person's hand. the hand is exerting force upon a force sensor attached to the spring. (So the force sensor can be measuring the force of the person's hand or the force of the spring). The questions says that the graph should follow Hooke's law, however the graph is linear increasing. How than does it follow Hooke's Law if:
every point on the line is an (x,y) coordinate: (x;-k*x) (where x is position and k is the spring constant) shouldn't the graph be linear decreasing?

Homework Equations


F=-k*x
F=k*x
(where -k*x is force of spring aka Hooke's law... and k*x is the force applied by the person)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well i considered two things A) if it was increasing due to the graph's relative position being zeroed at the spring's equilibrium position. And B) that the expirement takes place on a horizontal plane, so without gravity that could be what's throwing me off.
 
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If 'x, displacement' is represented by x on the graph and y = -k*x

The more force exerted the higher the X value and if X increases then -k*x should increase as well.

I am not sure what you are asking exactly.
 
Hi astro_kat,

You are just plotting the magnitudes in the graph. That's why it's linear increasing.

You may also want to ascribe proper directions to the force and x. If you say that the force is positive when the hand is pulling, and x is positive when it's stretching, then also the graph is linear increasing.
 
That's not exactly what i meant. why isn't it decreasing? Let's say x=.5 meters. than the coordinate pair would be:
(.5, -k[.5]) which means that the y coordinates should be negative when x is positive and vise versa, therefore a negative slope should result, right?
 
You are correct. Well, as I said before, often people plot magnitudes in graphs. It may be common practice.
 
That's not exactly what i meant. why isn't it decreasing? During pushing or pulling the force sensor should show increasing reading. In the case of pushing the x is negative and graph is in the second quadrant. While pulling x is positive and the graph is in the first quadrant. In both the case it is increasing.
 
Shooting star said:
You are correct. Well, as I said before, often people plot magnitudes in graphs. It may be common practice.

Magnitudes=absolute value of Force... why didn't you say that. way to be ambiguous!:smile:
 
Think of the magnitude of my absolute valuelessness...:cry:
 

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