Horizontal cable with one vertical point force

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The problem involves a horizontal wire of length L that is subjected to a vertical point force (F) at its midpoint. Participants are tasked with finding an equation for the new length of the wire (LF) while considering the wire's effective modulus (E) and effective area (A). The complexity of deriving a solution is acknowledged, as it is suggested that solving for LF in a specific form may be too challenging.

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  • Participants discuss force balance equations, compatibility equations, and force-displacement relationships. There are inquiries about the angle (θ) and its implications when the force (F) approaches zero. Some participants suggest alternative force balance equations and express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Participants are questioning assumptions related to the angle and force balance, while also attempting to derive equations related to the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several lines of reasoning are being actively considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded not to solve for LF in a specific form, as indicated by the original poster's instructions. The discussion includes considerations of the geometry of the setup and the behavior of the system as forces change.

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Homework Statement


Hang a weight (F) from the middle of a horizontal wire of length L, attached on both sides. The wire has an effective modulus (E) and effective area (A). Find an equation for the new length of the wire LF. (NOTE: Do not try to solve for a form LF =, this is too hard).

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Homework Equations


To see the equations I thought were relevant, see my attempt at the solution.


The Attempt at a Solution


Force Balance Equation: T = [itex]\frac{Fcosθ}{2}[/itex]

Compatibility Equation: ∂ = ∂1 + ∂2. ∂1 = ∂2.

Force-Displacement Equation: ∂1 = [itex]\frac{TL}{2EA}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{FLcosθ}{4EA}[/itex].

This gives: ∂=2∂1 = [itex]\frac{FLcosθ}{2EA}[/itex]

Which gives a final answer of: LF=L+∂ = L + [itex]\frac{FLcosθ}{2EA}[/itex].

But I'm not confident in my work, because professor said it would be too difficult to solve for the solution in this form.
 
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From where do you measure θ? What is θ when F goes to zero?
 
Theta is the angle made at the support ends. Theta is the same on the left and right side. When F=0, Theta=0, theoretically.
 
Shouldn't you have then,

2Tsinθ = F
 
Okay I've got the same problem as part of a homework.
I agree that you need 2Tsin(A)=F
 
So then, with the new force balance equation, we get:

1 = [itex]\frac{TL}{2EA}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{FL}{4EAsinθ}[/itex]

Which gives us:

∂=∂1 + ∂2 = 2∂1 = [itex]\frac{FL}{2EAsinθ}[/itex]

So the final answer then would be:

LF=L+[itex]\frac{LF}{2EAsinθ}[/itex]
 

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