Horizontal Force to Hold Pendulum Perpendicular

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The problem involves determining the horizontal force required to maintain a pendulum at a specific angle from the vertical. The subject area pertains to mechanics and forces acting on pendulums, particularly in the context of external forces like wind pressure.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the horizontal force to the angle of the pendulum using the equation tan(theta) = FH / mg, questioning the implications of this relationship, particularly at extreme angles.
  • Some participants question the feasibility of achieving a horizontal pendulum, noting that gravity will always exert a downward force, preventing the angle from reaching 90 degrees.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of shaping the mass like a wing to create lift, raising further questions about the behavior of wind around the mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of the forces involved. There is no explicit consensus, but various perspectives on the relationship between horizontal force and pendulum angle are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the limitations imposed by gravity and the nature of forces acting on the pendulum, as well as the assumptions about wind behavior and its effects on the pendulum's angle.

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Friends:

Recently I got this problem: what sustained horizontal wind pressure/force is needed to make a pendulum swing up and stay at a certain angle?

To solve this problem, I imagined applying a horizontal force FH to the bob (of mass "m"). I learned that the angle that the pendulum makes with the vertical (denoted as "theta") is found by solving:

tan (theta) = FH / mg

Is this correct? Does this mean that a sustained force of FH will keep the pendulum at the angle theta? Because the equation seems to imply that you need an infinite FH to make the pendulum horizontal, i.e. theta = 90 degrees. Weird...?
 
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Well, if theta = 90 degrees, then tan (theta) is infinite which suggests that the wind speed required would also have to be infinite.
In reality, there is no windspeed that would make the pendulum line horizontal. The angle will always be less than 90 degrees because gravity is always pulling down on the bob.
 
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Electrical wires are also NEVER horizontal. They always droop. Even a taught string, though it appears perfectly straight, isn't. There has to be a vertical component to the force holding it up, and that vertical somponent comes from the angle.
 
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derek88 said:
Friends:

Recently I got this problem: what sustained horizontal wind pressure/force is needed to make a pendulum swing up and stay at a certain angle?

To solve this problem, I imagined applying a horizontal force FH to the bob (of mass "m"). I learned that the angle that the pendulum makes with the vertical (denoted as "theta") is found by solving:

tan (theta) = FH / mg

Is this correct? Does this mean that a sustained force of FH will keep the pendulum at the angle theta? Because the equation seems to imply that you need an infinite FH to make the pendulum horizontal, i.e. theta = 90 degrees. Weird...?

You can allways shape the mass as a wing so the passing wind makes sub-pressure above it in order to lift the mass the last degrees until the pendulum rest at 90 degrees. However, that will also mean that the wind change direction when passing the mass/wing - meaning the wind will not move stright horizontal, but slightly downwards around the wing.

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