Horizontal Recoil Speed of gun

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The discussion centers on calculating the horizontal recoil speed of a gun firing a projectile, emphasizing the conservation of momentum principle. Participants highlight the importance of applying momentum conservation in both horizontal and vertical directions, especially given the gun's angled position. The conversation reveals confusion around the law of conservation of momentum and impulse, with requests for simpler explanations. It is clarified that total momentum in a closed system remains constant, and that momentum conservation applies when no external forces act on the system. Understanding the correct system to analyze is crucial for solving more complex problems effectively.
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Homework Statement


a 1200kg gun mounted on wheels shoots an 8kg projectile with a muzzle velocity of 600m/s at an angle of 30degrees above the horizontal. find the horizontal recoil speed of the gun


Homework Equations



KE= .5mvfE2 - .5MViE2

The Attempt at a Solution


to be honest I have read this several times and really do not understand what to do please help me.
 
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What is happening is that the projectile is being shot out of the gun, so the impact of the projectile leaving is causing the recoil.

What principle do you know involves collisions and impacts?
 
elasticity?
 
or perhaps momentum?
 
Chica1975 said:
or perhaps momentum?

Right and in any sort of collision momentum is conserved. However, you have the gun at an angle, so you need to apply the conservation law in both horizontal and vertical directions.
 
can you please explain the conservation law to me - I have read the book several times but our language is not attuned.

In a simple way please tell me what it means. thanks

I have tried everything I can think of with momentum but I don't understand about the law of conservation of momentum and impulse - I think this is my problem.
 
Chica1975 said:
can you please explain the conservation law to me - I have read the book several times but our language is not attuned.

In a simple way please tell me what it means. thanks

I have tried everything I can think of with momentum but I don't understand about the law of conservation of momentum and impulse - I think this is my problem.

Essentially it is that the total momentum in a closed system is zero.

or in easier terms

the momentum before the event = momentum after the event
(in a given direction).
 
Remember that momentum is only conserved when no external force acts on the system.
momentum along X is anyway conserved
But for Y, if you take gun and bullet as system then its not conserved
its conserved only when you system is GUN+BULLET+EARTH

well you'll say that it doesn't matter what i consider as system as momentum is conserved anyway but in more complex problems especially when friction is involved, not considering right system makes problems difficult and maybe also lead to wrong answer!
 
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