How Accurate Are My Nanomolar Calculations for Compound X?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of calculations related to the dilution and concentration of a compound X in various stock solutions. Participants are examining the conversion between mass and molarity, specifically in the context of nanomolar concentrations.

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  • One participant outlines a series of dilutions and calculations to determine the concentration of compound X in a final stock solution, suggesting a concentration of 104 nanomolar.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the conversion from mass to molarity, specifically noting the potential confusion between nanograms and nanomoles given the molar mass of 320 g/mole.
  • A later reply identifies a mistake in the initial calculation regarding the relationship between ppm and nanomolar concentration, suggesting that the correct conversion should yield a different result.
  • One participant acknowledges being off in their calculations and suggests that achieving 100 nanomolar would require significantly more mass than initially calculated, while maintaining that their assertion about the number of molecules remains valid.
  • Another participant points out that the previous calculations may have relied on an incorrect assumption regarding molar mass, leading to discrepancies in the results.

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Participants express uncertainty about the initial calculations, with some agreeing that there may have been errors while others challenge the interpretations of the results. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct calculations and conversions.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conversions between mass and molarity, as well as potential rounding effects in calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately determining concentrations in dilutions.

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Appreciate some backup, checking my calculations to see where I messed up - - it's been 30years since college chemistry:





Let's say I have a compound X which has a molecular weight of 320, so, 320 grams = 1 mole.

Next, I have a 1% stock solution A of that compound X (1 gram dissolved in 100 grams water).

We know that 1 ml = 1 gram for water, and we know that approx. 20 drops are in one ml.

1000 mg. = 1 gram.

20 drops X 100 ml = 2000 drops, or, 1000 milligrams divided by 2000 drops =.5 mg of the compound X in every drop of 1% stock solution A.

Now, put that 1 drop of 1% stock solution A in 240 ml of water to create stock solution B.

That is rather close to a 1/4800th dilution.

Then use 1 drop from this stock dilution B to dissolve into 1000 ml of water which yields .000104 mg of compound X in a whole liter of water (final stock solution C).

We know that 1 mg. per liter is 1 ppm, so 0.000104 mg. would be 0.000104 ppm, close to 0.104 ppb, or 104 nanomolar.

Now, a mole = 6.022 X 10 ^23 molecules of any compound.

A nanomole = 10^-12, essentially that is 1 trillionth, so we can calculate that 10^23 minus 10^12 yields 6.022 X 10^11 molecules in a nanomole.

and 100 nanomoles is 6.022 X 10^13 molecules.

Therefore, in that one liter of water there are better than 60 trillion molecules of compound X floating around in the final stock solution C - - even though the dilution is rather incredible and ultimately results in about only one ten thousandth of a milligram of compound X in the entire liter of final stock solution C.
 
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Are you sure that you messed up?
 
sarbot said:
so 0.000104 mg. would be 0.000104 ppm, close to 0.104 ppb, or 104 nanomolar.

I would check here.
 
I don't know if I made a mistake - - that's why I'm asking for others to check out my calcs.

I cannot see any mistakes in the line that Borek shows.


Anybody up to the challenge ?
 
So you suggest that 104 nanograms are 104 nanomoles even if the molar mass is 320 g/mole? :wink:
 
Hmmmm,


Yes, this phrase is wrong:

"We know that 1 mg. per liter is 1 ppm, so 0.000104 mg. would be 0.000104 ppm, close to 0.104 ppb, or 104 nanomolar."

I should not confuse molar mass with actual weight.

The phrase above could end with 104 ppt (trillion).

Hmmm, it seems therefore that 100 nanomolar would be 32000 nanograms, since 320 grams = 1 mol.

Now, 32000 nanograms = 0.032 milligrams I believe.

So that is about 307.7 times more compound X needed to achieve 100 nanomolar than I previously calculated - - - I was off by about 307 times . . .

. . . and my assertion that in that one liter of water there are better than 60 trillion molecules of compound X floating around in the final stock solution C does not change - - - it should still be accurate and valid . . .

Thank you Borek.
 
I think you were off exactly by the factor of 320, and 307.7 is just effect of rounding. Your previous calculations contained hidden assumption that molar mass is 1, now you use 320.
 

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