How an electromagnetic amplitude becomes QM probability?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between electromagnetic waves and quantum mechanical probability amplitudes, particularly how the transition from classical electromagnetic waves to quantum wave functions occurs. It explores theoretical implications and interpretations within quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant notes that Planck's quantum concept originated from black-body radiation and questions how electromagnetic wave amplitudes transition to probability amplitudes in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant argues that the wave function in the Schrödinger equation is not related to electromagnetic waves, asserting it is merely a mathematical construct that provides information about a particle's position or momentum, reflecting the Copenhagen interpretation.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the Schrödinger wave function can be applied to electromagnetic waves, allowing for the calculation of probabilities related to field observables, although this approach is noted to be complex and not well-developed in quantum field theory.
  • One participant mentions that the electromagnetic field might be viewed as the wave function of a single photon, prompting further exploration of the concept of "photon wavefunction."

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between electromagnetic waves and quantum wave functions, with no consensus reached on how these concepts are connected or interpreted.

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Participants highlight the complexity of applying quantum mechanics to electromagnetic fields and the challenges associated with the Schrödinger functional approach, indicating that further exploration and clarification are needed.

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At the core of the quantum concept by Planck was the black-body radiation, then: electromagnetic waves, whose amplitudes are electric and magnetic fields, but when one follow the developments and one comes to the Schrödinger waves, now their amplitudes are not of that kind but related to probability of finding a particle at a given point. How is that change possible?
So, does an electromagnetic wave (for example in the ultraviolet range) simultaneously have a probability-related wave?

Thank You.
 
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No the wave function in the Schrödinger equation has nothing to do with EM-waves. The wave function does not represepent a field that exists in the physical reality (like the EM field or the gravitational field) , the wave function is just a mathematical object that give us information about the position or the momentum of a particle.

What i said is the Copenhagen interpretation of the wave function that is widely accepted by the scientific community.
 
For particles, the usual Schreodinger wave function is a function of particle position, and allows one to calculate proibabilities for particle observables for like position or momenta.

Roughly, for the electromagnetic wave, the Schroedinger wave function becomes a function of field configuration, and allows one to calculate the probability for field observables. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger_functional

But it is very hard to use, and I think quantum field theory in the Schroedinger functional approach is not so well worked out. Usually people use a different language called second quantization, and describe the state space as a Fock space.
 
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Thank you, Delta and atyy.
This becomes somewhat more clear now to me.
 
It is not without issues but the electromagnetic field can be viewed as the wavefunction of a single photon. Search for "photon wavefunction" here or on the web.
 

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