How back emf helps in energy conversion in a motor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the role of back electromotive force (emf) in electric motors, particularly in the context of energy conversion from electrical to mechanical energy. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, practical implications, and the mechanics of motor operation under various conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a frictionless and superconducting motor would still produce mechanical energy, suggesting that removing mechanical energy would reduce back emf and draw current from the supply.
  • Another participant explains that a motor under load behaves similarly to a resistor, indicating that back emf can be viewed as a voltage drop across a resistor, affecting current and power based on the load.
  • A participant clarifies that back emf opposes terminal voltage and limits armature current, asserting that current will flow as long as terminal voltage exceeds induced counter emf.
  • In response to the question about the absence of back emf, one participant notes that without counter emf, such as during the start of a DC motor, armature current would be extremely high, and starting resistors are used to mitigate this initial surge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the implications of back emf in motor operation, with no consensus reached on the theoretical scenarios presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which back emf aids in energy conversion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference practical examples and theoretical constructs without fully resolving the implications of back emf in different operational states of motors. The discussion includes assumptions about ideal conditions and the effects of load on motor behavior.

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How back emf helps in energy conversion in a motor?

hello,
I am an engineering student and during the past few days i was searching on the net to clarify my doubts on "motors".So i came across an article and on reading one part of it a doubt arosed in my mind.

Q1)

"To take a practical example, an electric motor running under no load
uses very little power. If the motor were frictionless and
superconducting, it would use no power. This is because the back emf
opposes the imposed voltage."

This was the part of the article.My doubt is that If the motor was frictionless and
superconducting will it rotate and produce mechanical energy??

Q2)Can you tell me how the electrical work done by the applied voltage in overcoming and causing current flow against back emf is possible??

Practically i know that when someone is pushing me in one direction inorder for me to oppose it i need to give an equal and opposite force.That is a push is required to oppose a push..
So using this idea in motors our applied voltage must do an equal amount of work against this back emf.Hence our applied voltage must provide an equal amount of electrical energy to oppose the electrical energy produced by back emf..So if this was the condition can you tell me how this back emf aids in converting electrical energy to mechanical energy?
Q3) What will happen if there was no back emf?


I hope to get a reply soon...

Thank you
 
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This was the part of the article.My doubt is that If the motor was frictionless and
superconducting will it rotate and produce mechanical energy
As soon as you try and remove any mechanical energy it will slow down, reduce the back emf and so draw current from the supply.

The original statement is saying that if you start a (frictionless) motor and leave it runnign with no load the back emf cancels the supplied voltage and so is equivalent to just disconnecting the motor with a clutch.
 


mgb phys:
Can you please give a detailed explanation?
 


A motor under load looks, for the most part, like a resistor. You can just as well consider the back emf as the voltage dropped across a resistor.

The more load you place on the motor, the less its effective resistance, resulting in increased current and power.
 


razrjay said:
hello,
Q2)Can you tell me how the electrical work done by the applied voltage in overcoming and causing current flow against back emf is possible??

Back or counter emf opposes the terminal voltage and limits armature current. As long as terminal voltage is greater than the induce CEMF current will flow, which it will be.
 


razrjay said:
hello,
Q3) What will happen if there was no back emf?
Thank you

If there was no CEMF, such as when starting a DC motor, armature current would be extremely high. In this case, starting resistors can be used to limit the initial current surge.
 

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