How to find the torque constant of BLDC motor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the torque constant (Kt) and back EMF constant (Ke) of a brushless DC (BLDC) motor, specifically in the context of an in-wheel motor used in electric scooters. Participants seek methods for measuring torque at a given current and understanding the relationship between Kt and Ke.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the torque constant and back EMF constant, seeking assistance in measurement techniques.
  • Another participant suggests that the easiest way to find Kt and Ke is to refer to the motor specifications provided by the manufacturer.
  • It is proposed that Kt can be calculated by measuring the generated torque and the current required to produce it, with a formula Kt=Torque/Ampere.
  • Methods for measuring torque are discussed, including using a spring scale, a torque wrench, or a prony brake.
  • There is a question about whether Kt equals Ke in BLDC motors, with one participant stating that ideally they should be equal, but in practice, they may not be.
  • Units for Kt and Ke are clarified, with Kt expressed in Nm/A and Ke in RPM/V, noting that Ke may also be expressed as Volts/RPM.
  • Participants discuss measuring resistance (R) and inductance (La) using an ohmmeter and an LCR meter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between Kt and Ke, with some suggesting they are ideally equal while others indicate practical discrepancies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the equivalence of Kt and Ke, and there are varying methods proposed for measuring torque and other parameters, indicating a range of assumptions and conditions that may affect the results.

AFZAL AMANULLAH
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Hello Friends,
I have used in-wheel BLDC motor for my experiment. In this type of motor BLDC motor inbuilt on wheel. This wheel is a part of electric scooter. I wated to find the value of torque constant and back emf constant. Also how to measure torque for a selected current.
Please help me.
Thanks
 
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Is the motor manufacturer, and part number known? The easiest way is to pull them from motor specifications.

Torque constant is the relationship between torque and current (Kt=Torque/Ampere). Measure generated torque, and the amount of current required to generate it. Divide.
AFZAL AMANULLAH said:
how to measure torque

One way to measure stall torque is to do something similar to what was done here ...

... but use a spring scale instead of a weight.

Alternatively, connect the motor shaft directly to a torque wrench, and read it directly.
If necessary, a prony brake can be devised to measure rotating torque.

Back EMF is generated by rotor/stator interaction whenever the rotor is turning. Connect the BLDC motor-under-test to an external source of rotational motion, measure shaft speed, and generated stator voltage.

This application note ought to be helpful.
 
In BLDC motor is Kt = Ke ?

how to measure R, La ?
My hub motor is attached herewith.

In-wheel Motor.jpg
In-wheel Motor.jpg
Inwheel motor.jpg
Inwheel motor.jpg
 
AFZAL AMANULLAH said:
In BLDC motor is Kt = Ke ?
Ideally yes, but in practice, probably not.

What units are Kt and Ke in?
Kt=Nm/A (Nm=Newton-meters; A=Amperes)
Ke=RPM/V (RPM=Revolutions per minute; V=Volts). Note: Ke may be stated as the reciprocal (Volts/RPM).

Look up the specs for your motor, or another one in your size and power range to get a feel for what values make sense.
For instance, for the Xnova 4025-670KV 2.5Y motor, Ke is 670 RPM/V (0.00149 V/RPM), and Kt is 0.0143 Nm/A.

AFZAL AMANULLAH said:
how to measure R, La ?
An ohmmeter with a low resistance range (or a milliohmmeter) and LCR meter come in handy.
 

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