How can air density be accurately calculated at different altitudes?

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The discussion revolves around calculating air density at various altitudes, specifically at 15 km and 7.5 km, using known values at 10 km and 5 km. Participants express concerns about the accuracy of linear estimations and the appropriate models for atmospheric density.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore methods for calculating air density, questioning the validity of linear estimations and considering exponential models. Some express skepticism about the appropriateness of mathematical approaches in a physics context.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on different modeling approaches and expressing doubts about the methods suggested. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants reference specific air density values at certain altitudes and highlight the dependence of density calculations on temperature and other factors. There is an indication that the problem may involve assumptions that are not fully articulated.

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Homework Statement
A plane flies at a height of 15km with velocity of 1200km/h.
Another plane flies at half that speed and altitude.

Air density at 10km is .38
Air density at 5km is .67

Assume they have same cross section area A and drag coefficient C.
Calculate the ratio of the dragforce of the two planes.
Relevant Equations
D = 1/2 * CpA*v^2
Just calculating D1 (15km altitude plane) and D2 (7.5km altitude plane) turns out to;
D1/D2 = 4*p1/p2
p being the air density at each height.

How am I suppose to calculate p? We have had no such formulas, not to mention it depends on temprature etc.
Doing a linear estimation will yield wrong answer.

Correct answer is 3.3
 
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Addez123 said:
How am I suppose to calculate p?
You are given ##\rho##.
The problem statement said:
Air density at 10km is .38
Air density at 5km is .67
 
I'm given air density for 10 and 5km. I need air density for 15 and 7.5km.
 
Addez123 said:
I'm given air density for 10 and 5km. I need air density for 15 and 7.5km.
Ahah. That makes more sense.

Suppose that you model the atmospheric density as an exponential function of altitude. If a 5 km delta in height results in a factor of ##\frac{0.38}{0.67}## reduction in density, What ratio would one expect for a 7.5 km delta?
 
I seriously doubt we're ment to estimate an exponential function. That's more of a math question, this is suppose to be fundamental physics. Appriciate the suggestion tho!
 
Addez123 said:
I seriously doubt we're ment to estimate an exponential function. That's more of a math question, this is suppose to be fundamental physics. Appriciate the suggestion tho!
You've never been set a problem with radioactive half-lives?
 
Make a graph of log-density vs altitude. Don’t forget to include density 1 at z = 0. It should be virtually a straight line.
 
Chestermiller said:
Make a graph of log-density vs altitude. Don’t forget to include density 1 at z = 0. It should be virtually a straight line.
Interesting. For these figures, it is not even close to a straight line.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Interesting. For these figures, it is not even close to a straight line.
You're right. For this data, a liner fit seems to work best. Of course, that's now how the real atmosphere works.
 

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