Using Pressure and Temperature differences to find height

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the height of a mountain using pressure and temperature differences, with specific readings from a mercury barometer at two elevations. The subject area includes thermodynamics and fluid mechanics, particularly focusing on the behavior of gases under varying conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the temperature lapse rate and barometric pressure readings to derive the mountain's height. Some participants question the assumption of constant air density and suggest integrating pressure changes with respect to height. Others inquire about the relationship between temperature and height in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for refining the approach. There is a recognition of the need to reconsider certain assumptions, particularly regarding air density, and to explore the integration of pressure and temperature relationships more thoroughly.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using standard values for pressure and temperature at sea level, as well as the implications of the lapse rate in the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's uncertainty regarding their calculations and the correctness of their approach.

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Homework Statement


At the top of a mountain the temperature is -5 degree C and a mercury barometer reads 566 mm, whereas the reading at the foot of the mountain is 749 mm.

Homework Equations


Assuming a temperature lapse rate of 0.0065 K/m and R = 287 J/kg K, calculate the height of the mountain.

The Attempt at a Solution


The lapse rate tells me how much temperature increases or decreases with height. So I can say that Temperature is a function of height T(d). And I'm assuming it to be linear function so I used the equation of a line which is y=mx+c.
where
y=T(d)
m=0.0065K/m
x=d
and c is the y intercept which is the temperature when height is 0 so the equation will be

T(d)= -0.0065d+c

I've taken slope as negative because temperature decreases with change in height which is obvious.

The pressure at the peak will be (from the mercury barometer reading)
P1=ρgh1
P1=13560x9.81x566x10^-3
P1= 75291.3576m

The pressure at the foot of the mountain is: (also from the mercury barometer reading)
P2=ρgh2
P2=13560x9.81x749x10^-3
P2= 99634.6764m

From the formula PV=mRT
we get P=ρRT
I assumed that the density of air will remain constant with change in height.
so what I did was I made rho subject.
ρ=P/RT
so at peak
ρ=P1/RT1
and at the foot
ρ=P2/RT2
ρ=ρ
P1/RT1=P2/RT2
Cancelling R on both sides will give us
P1/T1=P2/T2
making T2 subject will give us the temperature at the foot of the mountain.

T2=P2T1/P1
T2=(99634.67640)*(273-5)/(75291.3576)
T2=354.65
Which is the temperature at the foot of the mountain. Its also the y intercept c of the linear function T(d)= -0.0065d+c because it tells us the temperature when height is zero.

so the equation we'll end up with will be

T(d)= -0.0065d+354.65
To find the height of the peak from the foot of the mountain we'll put T(d) = 273-5 = 268K

268 = -0.0065d+354.65
after making d subject and solving further we'll get d=13330.76923m

Can anyone tell me what I did wrong in my attempt to solve this question? I know this is not the correct answer.
 
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If the temperature at height d is -5C, and the lapse rate is 0.0065 C/m, in terms of d, what is the temperature at the ground? In terms of d, what is the absolute temperature as a function of elevation z and height d?

Assuming the density of the air is constant was not a good idea. For arbitrary locations, $$\frac{dP}{dz}=-\rho g=\frac{P}{RT}g$$You need to integrate this between z = 0 and z = d, and match the pressures at the foot and at z = d.
 
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Good suggestion with the z=0 being sea level and p and T being the sea level standard values.
 

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