How can gravity be greater than the centripetal force?

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The discussion clarifies the relationship between weight, centripetal force, and normal force in circular motion, specifically when a car is at the top of a circular path. It establishes that weight is not a component of centripetal force; rather, centripetal force is the net force required for circular motion. The sum of weight and normal force must equal the centripetal force for the car to maintain its circular trajectory. If the weight exceeds the centripetal force, the car will detach from the circular path and fall.

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Naser Tay
So I saw this in my physics textbook and according to the highlighted sentence, it is possible for the weight to be greater than the centripetal force when the car is at the top of the circle. But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
 

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Naser Tay said:
But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
The weight is not part of the centripetal force. I don't really like the diagram because it shows normal force instead of centripetal force. Normal force is the sum of centripetal force and weight, so why not just show the two components separately? It looks confusing to me.
 
Naser Tay said:
So I saw this in my physics textbook and according to the highlighted sentence, it is possible for the weight to be greater than the centripetal force when the car is at the top of the circle. But how is this possible when the weight itself is PART of the centripetal force when the car is at the top?
Centripetal force is just some value the sum of all actual forces must have in order to make something go in circles.
These forces here are the weight and the reaction (normal) force. They can be lower or higher than the centripetal force, but only if they together are exactly equal to it will the car follow a circular path.
So, if weight at the top is larger than the required value of centripetal force, then so is the sum of weight and reaction force, and the car will follow a different trajectory than circular (=it will detach from the track and fall).

Once again, the sum of all forces being equal to centripetal force is the condition for circular motion. If these forces don't meet this condition, then there's no circular motion.

russ_watters said:
Normal force is the sum of centripetal force and weight
Is it? At the top you'd have ##W+F_c=R_t##. At the Bottom you'd have ##W-F_c=R_b## And yet, ##R_t<R_b##.
 

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