How can hydrostatic pressure be zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of hydrostatic pressure, particularly the conditions under which it can be considered zero. Participants explore the implications of zero hydrostatic pressure in various contexts, including fluid dynamics and specific scenarios involving thin fluid layers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that hydrostatic pressure can be measured relative to atmospheric pressure, leading to the concept of gauge pressure, which may be assumed to be zero in certain contexts.
  • One participant notes that hydrostatic pressure at the surface of a body of water, such as a tank or lake, can be considered zero.
  • A specific reference from a paper mentions that water under zero hydrostatic pressure will rest on a porous surface, prompting questions about the implications of this statement.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between kinetic energy and hydrostatic pressure, indicating that a flowing fluid converts hydrostatic energy to kinetic energy, which may lead to lower hydrostatic pressure in certain conditions.
  • It is proposed that a monomolecular layer of fluid has zero hydrostatic pressure and no tendency to flow, raising questions about the thickness of such a layer and its implications for hydrostatic pressure.
  • One participant clarifies that their earlier statements were not about gauge pressure but rather about absolute measurements of force and the conditions under which net force becomes zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of zero hydrostatic pressure and its implications, particularly regarding gauge pressure and the conditions under which hydrostatic pressure can be considered negligible. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the definitions of hydrostatic and gauge pressure that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also touches on the effects of fluid depth and surface characteristics on hydrostatic pressure, which are not fully resolved.

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I was reading a paper and I saw a statement that says zero hydrostatic pressure. I was wondering what it means..
 
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some people like to measure hydrostatic pressure by cutting off the atmospheric pressure part.they just assume atm. pressure zero.they measure it above or below atm pressure standard line ,also it depends on where you read it.
 
some people like to measure hydrostatic pressure by cutting off the atmospheric pressure part.they just assume atm. pressure zero.they measure it above or below atm pressure standard line ,also it depends on where you read it.

You are referring to what is known as gauge pressure, but your conclusion is false.

Gauge pressure and hydrstatic pressure only differ by a constant and gauge pressure varies with a fluid just as does hydrostatic.

@minik your query was too short to properly answer as your paper could be about different things.

A simple answer would be what is the hydrostatic pressure of water at a tank or lake surface?

Answer, zero.

But your reference may be referring to moving fluids.
 
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Here is the sentence
"If the water is under zero hydrostatic pressure it will come to rest on a porous surface in some position."
I was also guessing that it means the surface of the water but then it didn't make sense that, is the water layer very thin that we assume hydrostatic pressure to be zero everywhere or is there something else that I am missing..
 
A flowing fluid has constant total energy.
It divides this between the kinetic energy of motion (flow) and the potential energy, known as the hydrstatic pressure energy.
The faster it flows the more KE it has and the less PE or hydrostatic pressure.

A fluid that is initially at rest and then allowed to flow (eg by opening a tap in the side of a tank) converts some of the hydrostatic energy to kinetic energy when it starts flowing.
The hydrostatic energy depends upon the depth of the fluid.

Conversely a fluid that is spreading out over a surface in a thin layer has little hydrostatic energy as it has little depth.
So it has little energy to drive and maintain the flow.

Further if the surface is rough ie has high friction as a porous surface will, it dissipates some of its energy working against friction so there is a minimum depth which will enable flow over such a surface.

A monomolecular layer of fluid will have zero hydrostatic pressure and no tendency to flow. ie it will come to rest.
 
A monomolecular layer of fluid will have zero hydrostatic pressure
I have not said any word about gauge pressure.I was really mean that the constant of integration in simple pressure formula if put zero will give some absolute measurement of force and there will not be net force.if you have really gotten some conclusion out of my first post then it was not meant that way i.e. gauge pressure.however are you saying that the thickness of monomolecular level is zero so that it does not give rise to any hydrostatic pressure.
 

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