How Can I Define the Bank Angle of a Roller Coaster Helix Track?

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The discussion revolves around defining the bank angle of a roller coaster helix track, focusing on the lateral, normal, and tangential g-forces acting on a point mass. The original poster is attempting to derive equations for tangent and normal accelerations along the helix defined by a specific parametric curve.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of introducing a bank angle into the helix design, questioning how this affects the normal and binormal vectors. There is discussion on whether a constant bank angle or a variable one would complicate the model. The original poster also raises concerns about how changes in the bank angle might influence acceleration components and the radius of curvature.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into redefining the normal vector to incorporate a bank angle, while others are examining the curvature and torsion of the helix in relation to these changes. There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between tangential direction and curvature, as well as the implications of varying the bank angle.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by varying the bank angle and its potential effects on the overall dynamics of the roller coaster. The original poster also mentions a shift in approach due to a realization about the velocity equation related to gravitational potential energy, indicating a need to redefine the position equations accordingly.

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Homework Statement



I am working on an overly simplified roller-coaster design but I have found a problem in defining a banked helix track piece.

Essentially I want to be able to track the lateral, normal, and tangential g-forces acting on some point mass, so I need to obtain equations for the tangent and normal accelerations at any given point on the helix.

Homework Equations



It would follow that a helix defined by the curve:

\overline{r}(t) = acos(t)\hat{i} + asin(t)\hat{j} + bt\hat{k}

\overline{T} = \frac{d\overline{r}}{ds} = \frac{d\overline{r}/dt}{ds/dt} = \frac{V}{|V|}

= \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}\left[-asin(t)\hat{i} + acos(t)\hat{j} + b\hat{k}\right]

\overline{N} = \frac{d\overline{T}/dt}{|d\overline{T}/dt|} = -cos(t)\hate{i} - sin(t)\hat{j}

- has a defined principle unit normal vector. However, what if I want to be able to define how steeply the helix is banked ? Essentially, I want to rotate the normal and binormal principle unit vectors so as to reduce as much lateral g-force as possible or eliminate it entirely.

The Attempt at a Solution



My first inclination is that I should introduce a k-hat component (constant if I want the bank angle to be constant or otherwise if not). But does throwing that element into the equation invalidate some other assumptions I have made?

Not knowing the complications that may arise from this problem, I'd like to just define a constant bank angle, but if it is doable, I wonder if changing the bank angle as a function of time/distance would complicate this beyond my level of comprehension.

Another assumption would be that the unit tangent vector would remain the same for any given helix no matter how the bank is defined. However, as the bank is offset, components of acceleration will be transferred between a_t and a_n. Would this even transfer acceleration into my new binormal direction? How would this effect the radius of curvature? I'm just not sure how to go about modeling that.

I don't necessarily have to end up with a concrete equation, but it would be nice. I have MATLAB at my disposal. Any push in the right direction would be helpful.

Thanks.
 
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Let's say I keep \overline{T} the same.

If I simply redefine \overline{N} as \overline{N} ':

\overline{N} ' = -cos(t)\hate{i} - sin(t)\hat{j} - p\hat{k}

where 'p' is some constant which defines how steep the track is banked inward, then:

The new unit normal may be obtained from:

\frac{\overline{N} '}{|\overline{N} '|} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + p^{2}}}\left[-cos(t)\hat{i} - sin(t)\hat{j} - p\hat{k}\right]Now I should theoretically have the binormal unit vector:

\overline{B} = \overline{T} x \overline{N} &#039;=\left| \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \hat{i} &amp; \hat{j} &amp; \hat{k} \\<br /> \frac{-asin(t)}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} &amp; \frac{acos(t)}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} &amp; \frac{b}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} \\<br /> \frac{-cos(t)}{\sqrt{1 + p^{2}}} &amp; \frac{-sin(t)}{\sqrt{1 + p^{2}}} &amp; \frac{-p}{\sqrt{1 + p^{2}}} \end{array} \right|

Thus,

\overline{B} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(1 + p^{2})(a^{2} + b^{2})}}\left\{\left[-apcos(t) + bsin(t)\right]\hat{i} + \left[-apsin(t) - bcos(t)\right]\hat{j} + \left[a\right]\hat{k}\right\}

Does my logic make sense so far?
 
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Now to define the radius of curvature, I must find the curvature - which depends on \overline{T} parameterized in terms of arc length:

\rho = \frac{1}{\kappa}

AND

\kappa = \left|\frac{d\overline{T}}{ds}\right|

In order to find \overline{T} in terms of arc length:

s(t) = \int_{t_{0}}^{t}\sqrt{[x&#039;(\tau)]^{2} + [y&#039;(\tau)]^{2} + [z&#039;(\tau)]^{2}}d\tau

= \int_{0}^{t}\sqrt{a^{2}sin^{2}(t) + a^{2}cos^{2}(t) + b^{2}}d\tau = (\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}})t

So,

t = \frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}

may be used as a substitution in \overline{T}(t)...\overline{T} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}\left[-asin(t)\hat{i} + acos(t)\hat{j} + b\hat{k}\right] \Rightarrow \frac{1}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}\left[-asin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\hat{i} + acos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\hat{j} + b\hat{k}\right]Now we may obtain \left|\frac{d\overline{T}}{ds}\right|.

\frac{d\overline{T}}{ds} = \left[\frac{-a}{a^{2} + b^{2}}cos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{i} + \left[\frac{-a}{a^{2} + b^{2}}sin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{j} + 0 \hat{k}

\kappa = \left|\frac{d\overline{T}}{ds}\right| = \frac{a}{a^{2} + b^{2}}So is it right to assume this same curvature for a general helix, even if I am changing the Normal and Binormal unit vectors? Does it truly have no dependence on anything but the change in tangential direction?
 
Torsion, on the other hand, is surely dependent on the Binormal and Normal unit vectors...

\tau = -\frac{d\overline{B}}{ds}\bullet\overline{N}

Making the substitution t = \frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} again for \overline{B} and \overline{N} &#039;:

\overline{B} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(1 + p^{2})(a^{2} + b^{2})}}\left\{\left[-apcos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}) + bsin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{i} + \left[-apsin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}) - bcos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{j} + \left[a\right]\hat{k}\right\}

\overline{N} &#039; = -cos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\hat{i} - sin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\hat{j} - p\hat{k}I can see how this might get ugly if I vary 'p' as a function of time/arc-length...

\frac{d\overline{B}}{ds} = \frac{1}{(a^{2} + b^{2})\sqrt{(1 + p^{2})}}\left\{\left[apsin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}) + bcos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{i} + \left[-apcos(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}}) + bsin(\frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}})\right]\hat{j}\right\}

To make things easier to see:

Let: \frac{1}{(a^{2} + b^{2})\sqrt{(1 + p^{2})}} = \omega

AND

Let: \frac{s}{\sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} = \varphi

Then,

\tau&#039; = -\frac{d\overline{B}}{ds}\bullet\overline{N} &#039; = -\omega\left\{\left[apsin(\varphi) + bcos(\varphi)\right]\hat{i} + \left[-apcos(\varphi) + bsin(\varphi)\right]\hat{j}\right\}\bullet\left\{-cos(\varphi)\hat{i} - sin(\varphi)\hat{j} - p\hat{k}\right\}

=\omega\left[apsin(\varphi)cos(\varphi) + bcos^{2}(\varphi) - apsin(\varphi)cos(\varphi) + bsin^{2}(\varphi)\right]

So,

\tau&#039; = \omega b = \frac{b}{(a^{2} + b^{2})\sqrt{(1 + p^{2})}}To check the validity of this torsion value, I can set 'p = 0' as if I had not banked the helix:

\tau&#039; = \frac{b}{a^{2} + b^{2}}

This is what I was expecting (for a general helix without banking). So I am at least a little more confident in my approach. But I am not done yet...
 
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Any ideas on where I should go from here for my g-force analysis?
 
I just realized my entire method is wrong because I didn't take into account the fact that:

v(z) = \sqrt{2g(z_{0} - z)} (at all times on the rollercoaster)

Where z_{0} is the height at which the frictionless rollercoaster started.

So now my approach has altered slightly:

\overline{r}(\theta) = Rcos(\theta)\hat{i} + Rsin(\theta)\hat{j} + z\hat{k}

In order to use my velocity equation derived from the concept of energy, I must get my position equation in terms of z. I changed the position equation in terms of theta to avoid dealing with time for now as that introduces some confusion.

Since \frac{dz}{d\theta} = constant = \frac{M}{2\pi},

where M is the \frac{\Delta z}{revolution} of the helix. We can define M however we want depending on the shape of the helix.

\int_{0}^{z&#039;}dz = \int_{0}^{\theta &#039;}\frac{M}{2\pi}d \theta \Rightarrow z = \frac{M}{2\pi}\theta \Rightarrow \theta = \frac{2\pi z}{M}


\overline{r}(z) = Rcos(\frac{2\pi z}{M})\hat{i} + Rsin(\frac{2\pi z}{M})\hat{j} + z\hat{k}


Now how do I go about getting z in terms of time so that I can get position in terms of time for the helix?
 

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