How can I derive the equation X(cm) = int(X dm)/M?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation X(cm) = ∫(X dm)/M, where participants seek clarification on the transition from a summation notation to an integral form. The subject area pertains to physics, specifically the mathematical representation of mass distribution and its implications in calculating center of mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding how the summation notation σ(Xi Dmi) relates to the integral notation ∫(X dm). There is a focus on understanding the mathematical transition and the underlying concepts of mass distribution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the definitions of summation and integral, and how they relate to physical concepts such as energy and moment of mass. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical principles involved, but no consensus has been reached on the specific derivation.

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Participants note a lack of clarity in the definitions and relationships between the terms used, indicating that further exploration of the concepts is necessary. There is also mention of the informal nature of the inquiry, as it is not strictly a homework question.

Dweirdo
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OMG second time I'm opening a thread in the wrong forum FFS!
Damn bookmarks! MODS move it please.

Homework Statement


Not a home work question, just something i cam across and need a clarification.
Could One show me how to derive to the equation that X(cm)=int(X dm)/M
int=the deformed S of the integral(2 lazy to write in Latex XD).

Homework Equations


X(cm)=sigma(Xi Dmi)/M

The Attempt at a Solution


I know It's simple, But I can't imagine how sigma(Xi Dmi) becomes int(X dm),
I don't understand what it means , trying to convert it to words just doesn't work for me,so could some 1 explain that for me?
AFAIK sigma(Xi Dmi) means the mass distribution,but how does the integral takes place here?
I really need to understand the math part in physics.

Thanks a lot in advanced !
 
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Hi Dweirdo! :smile:

(have a sigma: ∑ and a delta: ∆ and an integral: ∫ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
Dweirdo said:
… I can't imagine how sigma(Xi Dmi) becomes int(X dm),
I don't understand what it means , trying to convert it to words just doesn't work for me,so could some 1 explain that for me?
AFAIK sigma(Xi Dmi) means the mass distribution,but how does the integral takes place here?

How does ∑ Xi ∆mi become ∫ X dm ?

Because that's what an ∫ is …

it's defined as the limit of a ∑ as the ∆s tend to zero. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Dweirdo! :smile:

(have a sigma: ∑ and a delta: ∆ and an integral: ∫ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


How does ∑ Xi ∆mi become ∫ X dm ?

Because that's what an ∫ is …

it's defined as the limit of a ∑ as the ∆s tend to zero. :smile:


But why?? Like I know that in Energy, if you make a graph of force and distance and it is curved than integral calculates the plot.
but wtf is it here?
thanks :}
 
Because energy (= work done ) = force x distance, so it's the limit of ∑ (force x ∆distance)

Similarly, moment of mass = distance x mass, so it's the limit of ∑ (distance x ∆mass) :smile:
 

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