How can i know that this equation is a ellipse?

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The discussion revolves around the identification and derivation of the equation of an ellipse from a given complex equation involving the absolute values of complex numbers. Participants explore the transformation of the equation into a standard ellipse form and discuss the geometric properties of ellipses.

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  • One participant presents the equation |z+i| + |z-1| = 2 and claims it represents an ellipse, seeking to express it in the standard form of an ellipse.
  • Another participant notes that the presence of a mixed quadratic term (2xy) indicates that the axes of the ellipse may not align with the x and y axes, suggesting a rotation of coordinates to eliminate this term.
  • A subsequent reply provides a method for transforming the equation into a new coordinate system (u,v) and discusses the need to complete the square to derive the ellipse equation.
  • Further elaboration includes a specific choice of angle (a=pi/4) to simplify the equation, leading to a derived form that suggests the ellipse's parameters and its orientation.
  • One participant offers a geometric definition of an ellipse, emphasizing the constant total distance from any point on the ellipse to its two foci, which in this case are identified as -i and 1.
  • A final post expresses gratitude for the assistance received, indicating that the problem was perceived as straightforward despite initial complexities in proving it mathematically.

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Participants generally agree on the identification of the figure as an ellipse based on geometric reasoning, but there are differing approaches to deriving the equation and understanding the implications of the mixed terms in the quadratic expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the simplification process and the exact parameters of the ellipse.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the transformations applied to the equation and the definitions of the terms involved. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical derivation, particularly concerning the completion of squares and the implications of coordinate rotation.

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Sketch the following region:

| z+i | + | z-1 | =2




I know that it is a ellipse, but i am trying to replace the z for x +iy.



I reached the following equation.

3x^2+3y^2 = 4x-4y+2xy


now how can a simplify it in order to have the ellipse equation: (x^2/a^2) + (y^2/b^2) = 1
 
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Supposing you have done this correctly:

1. There is no reason that the axes of the ellipse should lie parallell to the x and y-axes.
That this is NOT the case, is given by the mixed quadratic term 2xy.
You need to rotate your coordinate system by some fixed angle "a", by introducing new, general coordinates (u,v), for example:
x=u*cos(a)-v*sin(a), y=u*sin(a)+v*cos(a)
We then determine the angle "a" so that the cross term in "u" and "v" vanishes.
Here, "a" is the angle between the positive x-axis and the positive u-axis, so that if "a"=0 yields x=u, y=v, while "a"=pi/2 in radians, x=-v and y=u.

2. Furthermore: The origin of the ellipse will NOT lie at the origin. Complete the squares in u and v to get (after a while) an equation of the form:
(u-u')^2/K^2+(v-v')^2/L^2=1

where u', v', K and L are constants to be determined.
 
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Now, following 1, you'll get:
3(u^2+v^2)=4(u(cos(a)-sin(a))-v(cos(a)+sin(a)))+2((u^2-v^2)cos(a)sin(a)+uv(cos(2a)).

Choosing a=pi/4, then, yields:
3(u^2+v^2)=-4sqrt(2)*v+u^2-v^2, that is:
2u^2+4(v^2+sqrt(2)v)=0

Now, you need to complete the square in v, according to 2.

This gives you:
2u^2+4(v+1/sqrt(2))^2=2,

That is:
u^2/K^2+(v+1/sqrt(2))^2/L^2=1, (**)
where u'=0, v'=-1/sqrt(2), K=1, L=1/sqrt(2)

(**) is your equation for the ellipse, where the u-axis makes pi/4 radians angle to the x-axis

The origin of the ellipse is therefore at (u',v')=(0,-1/sqrt(2)), which works out to be at (x',y')=(1/2,-1/2)

In order to draw it, you ought to find the extremals along the (u,v) axis pairs, and then work out the (x,y) coordinate pairs.
For example,
(u,v)=(0,0) works out as..(x,y)=(0,0)
 
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The geometric definition of 'ellipse' is "a plane figure having two points, called foci, such that the total distances from any point on the ellipse to the two foci is a constant".

In the complex plane, geometrically, |a- b| is the distance between point a and point b.

so |z+ i|+ |z- 1|= 2 says exactly that the total distance from any point, z, on the figure to -i and 1, is a constant, 2. That tells us it is an ellipse, having -i and 1 as foci.
 
People thanks for the help!

The problem is not supposed to be that hard.

My teacher just said that it was an ellipse. I tried to prove it by the equation.
 

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