How Can I Power a 1x1 Foot LED Array with AC Current Efficiently?

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The discussion centers around powering a 1x1 foot LED array using AC current, focusing on the challenges of converting AC to DC, managing voltage and current for the LEDs, and ensuring the circuit operates efficiently without damaging the components. The context includes practical applications for a high school project involving flashing LEDs synchronized to music.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the project and seeks advice on efficiently powering the LED array while preventing damage.
  • Another suggests consulting the datasheets for the TIP31C transistor and the LEDs to ensure the current draw does not exceed the transistor's limits.
  • A suggestion is made to use a 12VDC, 500mA wall transformer to power the 50 LEDs.
  • One participant proposes a configuration of 49 LEDs arranged in a 7 by 7 square, with 7 parallel strings of 7 LEDs in series, calculating the necessary voltage and resistance for the setup.
  • It is mentioned that a bridge rectifier could be used with a transformer to achieve the required voltage, and that a voltage doubler could be an alternative if only a 12V AC source is available.
  • Discussion includes the need for large capacitors and diodes capable of handling high current peaks for the voltage doubler approach.
  • Another participant notes that any power transistor should be able to switch the calculated current of 140 mA.
  • Creative ideas for LED display patterns are suggested, which would require different powering systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and configurations for powering the LED array, with no consensus reached on a single solution. Various methods and calculations are discussed, indicating differing opinions on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention several assumptions regarding voltage, current, and component specifications, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes various potential configurations and methods without resolving the optimal choice.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electronics projects, particularly those involving LED arrays, power conversion, and circuit design for educational purposes.

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Greetings,
I am rather clueless about this stuff so I'll leave it to you guys to come up with any bright ideas for this. I'm building an array of LED's for my high school that flash to music. I'm using a TIP31C transistor to get this effect. My problem is they're wanting a 1 foot by 1 foot array. I figure i can put about 50 LEDs in it, but I'm going to need to use AC current to get the necessary power. The LEDs i have are rated at a 3.3 - 3.8v forward voltage; they're just cheap green 5mm LEDs. So I know I'll have to convert the AC to DC and use a voltage regulator so I don't burn out my LEDs, but other than that, I'm clueless. What can I do to make this work efficiently and what can I do to prevent it from being destroyed by the power? Also can the transistor handle that kind of current?
Thanks
 
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Hi, davisp2012. I'm no expert, but I may be able to help a little. Your transistor should have a datasheet (you can probably just google "TIP31C datasheet" to find one), as should the LEDs. You can use the sheets to find out if the current draw from 50 LEDs exceeds the maximum collector current for your transistor.
 
You should be able to use an inexpensive 12VDC, 500mA wall transformer to run 50 LEDs.
Use http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz to play with series/parallel layouts.
 
You could use 49 LEDs in a square of 7 by 7.

It may make sense to drive them in 7 parallel strings of 7 LEDs in series.

Assuming 3.5 volts each for the LEDs that would be 24.5 volts total, plus you need a series resistor for each string.
This should drop about 25% of the total voltage. That is 0.333 times 24.5 volts or about 8 volts.

So, that is a total voltage of 32.5 volts.

Assume 20 mA for each LED and the resistor dropping 8 volts,
then R = 8 / 0.02 or 400 ohms.
So, you could use 390 ohm resistors and you would need 7 of them.
Total current would be 140 mA.

Getting 32.5 volts can be done in a few different ways.

You could bridge rectify a 23 volt AC output from a transformer. A large capacitor across the output would build the output to the peak voltage of 32.5 volts. A bit of ripple doesn't matter much with LEDs.

You could use a voltage doubler from 12 V AC. This requires large capacitors (4700 uF) and diodes that can handle large current peaks (up to 10 amps) but it would probably be a good way to go if you only had a 12 V AC power source.

Any power transistor should be able to switch 140 mA.

You could also switch the display in concentric squares coming from the center outwards or flash the outer and 3rd square from the outside alternately with the 2nd square from the outside and the middle LED.
These would look impresive, but would require a different powering system for the LEDs.
 

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