How can I prevent my NE555 timer from being triggered upon power ON?

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The discussion centers on the issue of an NE555 timer being inadvertently triggered upon power-on in a circuit designed to activate a solenoid driver. Participants explore potential causes and solutions related to the triggering mechanism and circuit design.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mike Phan describes the problem of the NE555 timer triggering unexpectedly when power is turned on and questions the nature of the signal causing this.
  • One participant asks for the complete circuit and inquires about the configuration of pin 4.
  • Another participant confirms that pin 4 is a reset pin and suggests connecting it to Vcc through a resistor and to ground through a capacitor to hold the timer in a reset state briefly at power-up.
  • Mike Phan mentions using a 10M ohm resistor and a 4.7uF capacitor but still experiences the triggering issue, questioning the appropriateness of these values.
  • A participant points out that the RC time constant with those values would be 47 seconds, suggesting it might be too long for the intended application.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of using a 10M ohm resistor with a bipolar NE555, noting that it may not be suitable due to input bias current considerations, and contrasts this with a CMOS version of the timer.
  • One suggestion is made to hold the trigger pin high with a 10k ohm resistor to mitigate sensitivity to stray pulses during power-up.
  • Mike Phan acknowledges the suggestions but indicates that the issue has been resolved already.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the appropriate resistor and capacitor values, as well as the configuration of the reset pin. There is no consensus on a single solution, and the discussion includes multiple competing ideas and approaches.

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Limitations include the lack of a complete circuit diagram and specific details on the NE555 variant being used, which may affect the applicability of the suggestions made.

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Hi,

My circuit is using NE555 timer to active a solenoid driver for some seconds. I have finally found out that any time we turn the power ON, the circuit is initially running. I have wondered that, when we turn the power ON, the power switch creates a signal as a voltage, so that can stimulate the NE555 trigger (pin #2) then run the solenoid driver.

Questions:
1. What kind of that signal?
2. How to solve that problem?

Thank you all.

Mike Phan
 
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Post your complete circuit. What are you doing with pin 4?
 
Pin 4 is connected to Vcc.
 
It's been a while since I worked with a 555 so I'm just going by memory on the pinout. I believe pin 4 is a reset pin. Connect it to Vcc through a resistor and ground through a capacitor. This will cause the pin to be grounded briefly at power up which causes the 555 to go reset. Choose your resistor and capacitor values based on how long you want the 555 to be held in the reset state.
 
You are right, pin 4 is a reset. My 555 is deisgned to hold for 2 seconds. I have tried to modify pin 4 as you just said. Let me double check: connect it to Vcc through a resistor 10M ohm, and gorund it (pin 4) through a 4.7uF capacitor. It is still problem! I am thinking if the values of resistor and capacitor are not correct. Do you think so?

Mike Phan
 
1 RC time constant at those values is 47 seconds. A bit long don't you think?
 
Do you know how to attach a file? I want you to see my circuit.

The purpose of this is to delay reset pin a while after the power switching ON which cause a "voltage spike" and stimulate pin2 (trigger), right?

What is your suggestion? Thanks and I am waiting for your reply.
 
If the NE555 is a bipolar version of the 555 family, 10MegOhm is too big for an input resistor. Look up the input bias current on the inputs. If you use a CMOS 555 like the Philips ICM7555, the input bias current is in the 10pA range, and 10MegOhm would theoretically work (although it is poor design practice to use resistors that big -- quiz question: Why is it poor design practice?).

Here's a good tutorial on 555 operation -- do you get waveforms similar to those shown here?

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/555/555.html
 
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Make sure to hold the trigger pin high with a 10k ohm resistor (depending on voltage). This way the trigger isn't as sensitive to stray pulses that maybe be caused from the circuit being energized.
 
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Thanks Triden and others. It has been done already.

Mike Phan
 

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