How can I prove the properties of points in a Cantor set?

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of points within a Cantor set, specifically addressing the nature of neighborhoods around a given point in the set. The problem is situated in the context of real analysis and set theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of the Cantor set and its properties, particularly in relation to base 3 representation. Questions arise regarding the specific definition provided by the instructor and its implications for the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested considering the properties of the Cantor set in terms of its construction and the implications of its intervals. There is an ongoing exploration of how these properties relate to the neighborhoods of points within the set, with hints provided regarding the measure and representation of numbers in base 3.

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Participants note a lack of additional information beyond the initial definition provided by the instructor, which may impact their understanding and approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Let C be a Cantor set and let x in C be given
prove that
a) Every neighborhood of x contains points in C, different from x.
b) Every neighborhood of x contains points not in C

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How can I start to prove?

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The usual way would be to think about what the Cantor set means in terms of an expansion in base 3, i.e. ternary.
 
Dick said:
The usual way would be to think about what the Cantor set means in terms of an expansion in base 3, i.e. ternary.

I need some kind of initiation. Prof. had just defined the Cantor set and assigned this problem.
I do not have more info about this. I looked the internet they are little bit complicated.
 
Okay, what definition did your teacher give you? And are you talking about a Cantor set or the Cantor set?
 
a cantor set
 
Okay, but once again, what definition of "Cantor set" are you using?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Okay, but once again, what definition of "Cantor set" are you using?

A1={[0,1/3],[2/3,1]}
A2={[0,1/9],[2/9,3/9],[6/9,7/9],[8/9,9/9]}
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intersection of all Ai is the Cantor set.

This is definition that Prof. defined.
 
sazanda said:
A1={[0,1/3],[2/3,1]}
A2={[0,1/9],[2/9,3/9],[6/9,7/9],[8/9,9/9]}
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intersection of all Ai is the Cantor set.

This is definition that Prof. defined.

The hint in post 2 remains valid. You might also think about what the measure (length) of the Cantor set might be.
 
sazanda said:
A1={[0,1/3],[2/3,1]}
Do you see that, in base 3 notation, every number in [0, 1/3] starts "0.0..." and every number in [2/3, 1] starts "0.2..". That is, A1 contains all real numbers between 0 and 1 whose base 3 representation does NOT have a "1" in the first place.

A2={[0,1/9],[2/9,3/9],[6/9,7/9],[8/9,9/9]}
Do you see that, again in base 3 notation, every number in [0, 1/9] starts 0.00..., every number in [2/9, 3/9] starts 0.02..., every number in [6/9, 7/9] starts 0.20..., and every number in [8/9, 1] starts 0.22... That is, A2 contains all real numbers between 0 and 1 whose base 3 representation does NOT have a "1" in the first two places.

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intersection of all Ai is the Cantor set.
Ai is the set of all numbers between 0 and 1 whose base three representation does not have a "1" in the first i places.

This is definition that Prof. defined.
So the Cantor set is the set of all numbers between 0 and 1 whose base 3 representation does not contain any "1" in its base three representation. Now look at intervals around a number "x" in that set.
 
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You could also think about endpoints. Did you notice all of the endpoints of the intervals in A_n are also in A_n+1?
 

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