How Can I Solve for Temperature Using the Wagner Equation for Vapour Pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Wagner Equation for Vapour Pressure, specifically the challenge of solving for temperature (T) given a known vapour pressure (p). Participants explore the complexities of deriving T from the equation and seek alternative methods for practical application, particularly in Excel.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Wagner Equation and expresses difficulty in rearranging it to solve for T given p, noting the lack of online resources for this specific equation.
  • Another participant argues that obtaining an explicit equation T(p) is not feasible due to the complexity of p(T) as a rational polynomial, suggesting the need for a numerical solver.
  • A later reply confirms that plotting p(T) in Excel and performing a regression fit can yield an approximate T(p), which the participant found effective.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the Wagner Equation and requests online references for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that solving for T explicitly from the Wagner Equation is complex and may require numerical methods. However, there is no consensus on a single method, as some suggest regression fitting while others highlight the necessity of numerical solvers.

Contextual Notes

The discussion acknowledges limitations in deriving T from the Wagner Equation, emphasizing the dependence on numerical methods and the potential non-linearity of the relationship between T and p.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals working with vapour pressure equations, those seeking numerical methods for solving complex equations, and anyone interested in the Wagner Equation and its applications in thermodynamics.

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I'm using the Wagner Equation for Vapour Pressure at work.This equation is :

lnp=((-7.7069(1-T)) + (2.4932(1-T)^1.5158) -(2.9212(1-T)^1.9907) -(3.8684(1-T)^4.3798) + (0.46898(1-T)^1.7461) - (0.00008336))/x

[I haven't been able to find an online version of this equation]

Here, T and p are variables. Its obviously easy to find p if I know T, but now I need to find T given that p is known. This is getting very complicated, and I don't have access to MatLAB either.Could someone who has MatLAB please help me out - I simply need an equation for T in terms of p.

Online Equation solvers give me an answer for T if I feed in the equation, but they do not give me an equation for T, which is what I need so I can put it into an Excel Spreadsheet.

Thanks.
 
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It is not possible to get equation of the form T(p), since p(T) is a complicated enough rational polynomial. Wherever you need to use T(p), you will have to have a numerical solver for it in the background (what those online solvers do). Perphaps Excel has a function for that too?

If not, you may try another thing to patch up for the moment. In the range of T that you expect, plot in Excel the graph of p(T); if it doesn't look to non-linear, make a regression fit to it, using one of the expressions that can be easily inverted to obtain an approximate T(p).

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caslav.ilic said:
In the range of T that you expect, plot in Excel the graph of p(T); if it doesn't look to non-linear, make a regression fit to it, using one of the expressions that can be easily inverted to obtain an approximate T(p).

And that worked perfectly.Thanks !:smile:
 
I just happened to browse this forum and this post piqued my curiosity.

What is the Wagner Equation? Can you refer me to any online references where I can read more about it?
 

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