What are the equations of state for air at high pressures and temperatures?

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The discussion revolves around finding a real gas equation of state for air applicable at high pressures (up to 500 bar) and high temperatures (up to 500°C). Participants are interested in deriving p-v-T relations and calculating work done by compressed air, as well as heat transfer during warming and cooling processes at these conditions. The conversation includes requests for MATLAB scripts and critiques of existing equations and data sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a MATLAB script for a real gas equation of state for air, expressing confusion over the relevance of Helmholtz free energy and the use of Cp/R instead of Cp.
  • Another participant suggests the Van der Waals and Redlich-Kwong equations of state, noting that the latter provides better accuracy.
  • A different participant mentions finding useful data in Perry's Chemical Engineer's Handbook and notes discrepancies when comparing this data to the Redlich-Kwong equation, particularly at 30 bar or more.
  • This participant also discusses the idea of using interpolation methods in MATLAB, questioning whether linear or quadratic interpolation would yield better accuracy.
  • Additionally, they describe an attempt to fit a surface model for specific volumes and compressibility factors across a range of pressures and temperatures, suggesting that a polynomial surface function may serve as a potential equation of state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the adequacy of existing equations of state for high pressures and temperatures, with no consensus reached on the best approach or equation to use. Discrepancies in data and methods are acknowledged, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current equations of state, particularly their applicability near critical points and at high pressures and temperatures. There are unresolved questions regarding the accuracy of interpolation methods and the specific behavior of gases under these conditions.

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Hello,

I am looking for a real gas equation of state for air, if possible a MATLAB script. I am working on pressures up to 500 bar and to 500°C.

The thing is that I not only need a p-v-T relation, I also need to calculate work done by compressed air and heat that is involved in warming/cooling at these pressures and temperatures.

I know the TEST apps, but I need the equations (or tables) so I can write my own MATLAB script.

I also found the document that is attached to this post (I downloaded it for free two days ago, but now I can't find the link o.0 ), but I don't understand a thing. Why Helmholz free energy? And about the equation for Cp/R on page 6, why not simply Cp? Is R constant or not? Why?

Thanks,
kandelabr
 
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The attached file is here, don't know why it wasn't in the first post. (?)
 

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Hello,

I am looking for a real gas equation of state for air, if possible a MATLAB script. I am working on pressures up to 500 bar and to 500°C.

The thing is that I not only need a p-v-T relation, I also need to calculate work done by compressed air and heat that is involved in warming/cooling at these pressures and temperatures.

I know the TEST apps, but I need the equations (or tables) so I can write my own MATLAB script.

I also found the document that is attached to this post (I downloaded it for free two days ago, but now I can't find the link o.0 ), but I don't understand a thing. Why Helmholz free energy? And about the equation for Cp/R on page 6, why not simply Cp? Is R constant or not? Why?

Thanks,
kandelabr


There are quite a few equations of state that can be used to describe fluids in the gas phase. A very simple, although not to accurate one is Van der Waals. A more accurate one is Redlich-Kwong. The latter gives good results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlich–Kwong_equation_of_state

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I found some useful data in Perry's Chemical Engineer's Handbook. Now that I have compared that data to Redlich-Kwong equation, the equation seems to miss for 30 bar or even more.

I decided program Matlab to use tables and interpolate, I guess this will still be more accurate than equations of state - it's curious these equations only deal with near-critical point, but I have heard no word of high pressures and high temperatures.

There's only one thing I wonder - if I interpolate linearly of quadratically - what should be more accurate? Will the complication pay off?

Thanks for the answers.

Just in case you might be interested, I drew a surface with pressure (1-500 bar) on x axis, temperature (240-500 K) on y and specific volumes on z axis and tried to fit a surface. I didn't work well because specific volumes are so much much different at 1 and 500 bar (so much much is a very scientific term in this case).
When I did the same, but with compressibility factor instead of volume, a polynomial surface function did very well. I guess this might yield a kind of equation-of-state for this very case. (?)
 

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