Finding vapour pressure using compressibility chart

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the vapor pressure and saturated liquid molar density of propane at a specific temperature using a generalized compressibility chart. Participants explore the application of compressibility factors, the acentric factor, and the relationship between reduced temperature and pressure in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the reduced temperature for propane at 263.15K to be 0.712 and the critical point compressibility to be 0.276, noting that compressibility is a function of reduced temperature and pressure.
  • Another participant inquired about the acentric factor and its relevance to the compressibility factor.
  • It was mentioned that the acentric factor for propane is 0.152, and a relationship involving the reduced saturation vapor pressure was provided.
  • Participants discussed the slope of a graph of log of the reduced saturation vapor pressure versus 1/Tr, with one suggesting that the slope is approximately constant.
  • There was a suggestion to interpolate or fit an equation to log Psat versus 1/T using known equilibrium vapor pressures at two temperatures.
  • One participant expressed confusion about the relevance of the slope to their problem and the use of the compressibility chart.
  • Another confirmed the characteristics of the compressibility factor chart, noting it covers reduced pressures from 0 to 1 and reduced temperatures from 0.7 to 4.0.
  • One participant reported finding a Psat value for Tr = 0.712 to be 3.50 bar, indicating they used the graph correctly but were uncertain about deriving the liquid molar density.
  • A lecturer suggested that liquid density could be calculated using compressibility and a deviation from an ideal gas, but details were not provided.
  • Concerns were raised about the accuracy of reading compressibility factors from a graph, particularly at low reduced pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of the compressibility chart and the calculation of liquid density. There is no consensus on the best approach to derive the required values, and multiple viewpoints on the relevance of the acentric factor and graph slopes are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants noted limitations in the compressibility chart, including the absence of reduced volume lines and potential inaccuracies in reading values from the graph at low reduced pressures.

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Homework Statement


I was asked to find the vapour pressure and saturated liquid molar density of propane at 263.15K using a generalised compressibility chart.
(not allowed to use NIST or steam tables either, the chart i was given does not have reduced volume lines)

Homework Equations


Tr=T/Tc Pr=P/Pc z=Pv/nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


The reduced temperature is 0.712. I calculated the critical point compressibility to be 0.276 but that probably has nothing to do with what i was asked to find. Compressibility is a function of reduced temperature and pressure... Tried using the chart with reduced temperature line at 0.7, followed the line to where it meets the line ends, got a reduced pressure of about 0.1, compressibility of about 0.88. But using the z=Pv/nRT equation above i got a density of 198 mol m^3 which is the saturated vapour density, not the saturated liquid density i was asked to find.
I was also told that "you look at the figure for the compressibility factor Z=Pv/(RT) as a function of P/Pc you will find that it is a unique universal curve where Z is not need to given in reduced units" which i do not understand sadly.
 
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Have you been learning about the acentric factor?

Chet
 
we were told to assume that the assentric factor w for propane is low so Z=Z0
 
According to Smith and Van Ness, Introduction to chemical engineering thermodynamics, the acentric factor for propane is 0.152. The reduced saturation vapor pressure of a gas at a reduced temperature of 0.7 is related to the acentric factor by:
$$ω=-1-\log(P_r^{sat})_{T_r=0.7}$$
You also know that, at the critical point, the reduced saturation vapor pressure = 1 and the reduced temperature is equal to 1.

The slope of a graph of log of the reduced saturation vapor pressure vs 1/Tr is (a) approximately constant or (b) not approximately constant?

Chet
 
the slope is approximately constant?
but what does that have to do with my problem?
 
annnoyyying said:
the slope is approximately constant?
but what does that have to do with my problem?
If the slope is constant, and you know the equilibrium vapor pressure at two temperatures, then you know it at all temperatures. In your problem, you know it at the critical point and at a reduced temperature of 0.7. So either interpolate or fit an equation to log Psat vs 1/T.

Chet
 
what does that have to do with the compressibility chart I am supposed to use though?
 
annnoyyying said:
what does that have to do with the compressibility chart I am supposed to use though?
Let me guess. The compressibility factor chart you have goes from Pr = 0 to Pr = 1, and it shows reduced temperatures running from 0.7 to 4.0, correct?

Chet
 
yes that's it
 
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annnoyyying said:
yes that's it
On your figure, there is a lower curve that all the reduced temperature lines intersect (for reduced temperatures less than 1.0). This is the equilibrium vapor pressure vs temperature line.

Chet
 
  • #11
and how do i use this?
 
  • #12
I also found the Psat value for Tr = 0.712 to be 3.50 bar
 
  • #13
annnoyyying said:
I also found the Psat value for Tr = 0.712 to be 3.50 bar
It looks like you used the graph correctly. I really don't know how to get the liquid molar density from this chart. Of course, the gas molar density is no problem.

Chet
 
  • #14
i asked the lecturer and he said i can "calculate the liquid density using the compressibility" and something to do with the zo value and deviation from an ideal gas...
but thank you very much for helping
 
  • #15
I found a graph online with a saturated liquid line also shown, but the compressibility factor along this line was very low (<0.1), and the value was very inaccurate to read from the graph at Pr = 0.1.

Chet
 

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