How Can I Use Axioms to Prove x^2 ≥ 0?

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The discussion revolves around proving the statement that \(x^2 \geq 0\) for all elements \(x\) in a field, utilizing field axioms and properties of ordered fields. Participants are exploring the implications of axioms related to order and multiplication.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need for order axioms in addition to field axioms and suggest using trichotomy to analyze different cases for \(x\). There are attempts to clarify the assertion and the validity of previous steps in reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the proof by considering cases for \(x\). There is a recognition of confusion regarding the assertion and the validity of certain steps in the reasoning process.

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Participants mention that they are still learning and express uncertainty about the assertion and the application of axioms. There is an indication that some foundational concepts may not be fully understood, impacting the discussion.

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Homework Statement
I need to prove using the axioms ive added that X^2>=0 (x^2>0 or x^2=0). Im unsure what im doing ive attached what ive done so far
Relevant Equations
(A1) If x∈F and y∈F, then x+y∈F.
(A2) (commutativity of addition) x+y = y+x for all x,y∈F.
(A3) (associativity of addition) (x+y)+z = x+(y+z) for all x,y,z∈F.
(A4) There exists an element 0∈F such that 0+x = x for all x∈F.
(A5) For every element x∈F there exists an element−x∈F such that x+(−x) = 0.
(M1) If x∈F and y∈F, then xy∈F.
(M2) (commutativity of multiplication) xy = yx for all x,y∈F.
(M3) (associativity of multiplication) (xy)z = x(yz) for all x,y,z∈F.
(M4) There exists an element 1∈F (and 16= 0) such that 1x = x for all x∈F.
(D) (distributive law) x(y+z) = xy+xz for all x,y,z∈F.
(x)(x)>0 (D)
(x+(-x))(x+(-x)) >0 (A4)
x^2 + 2(-x)(x) + (-x)^2 >0 (D)
x^2 - 2x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
-x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
 
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None of the field axioms you listed say anything about the total order ##<##. I suspect you should also have the following axioms to describe an ordered field.

For all ##x,y,z\in F##,
1) If ##x>y##, then ##x+z>y+z##
2) If ##x>0## and ##y>0##, then ##xy>0##

Can you prove the assertion using these axioms? One approach is to use trichotomy and separately deal with the cases ##x<0## and ##x=0## and ##x>0##.
 
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sorry yes I do have the order axioms, I have only just started learning this so I have no idea what the assertion is sorry
 
By "the assertion" I just mean the problem statement that ##x^2\geq 0## for all field elements ##x##. Try dividing into the cases ##x>0## and ##x=0## and ##x<0## like I suggested.
 
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How would I go about proving x=0 and then referencing into x^2 = 0, would it be (x)(x) = 0?
 
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Homework Statement:: I need to prove using the axioms I've added that X^2>=0 (x^2>0 or x^2=0). I am unsure what I am doing I've attached what I've done so far

(x)(x)>0 (D)
This isn't the distributive property. It says that a*(b + c) = a*b + a*c.
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(x+(-x))(x+(-x)) >0 (A4)
No, this isn't true. By A5, x + (-x) = 0, so (x + (-x))(x + (-x)) can't be positive.
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x^2 + 2(-x)(x) + (-x)^2 >0 (D)
Yes, this is distribution, but it takes a couple of steps to get here. Since the previous step is not true, that puts this step into question.
dreter98 said:
x^2 - 2x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
-x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
Again, not true. -x^2 + (-x)^2 = 0 -- it's not positive.

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How would I go about proving x=0 and then referencing into x^2 = 0, would it be (x)(x) = 0?
Your goal isn't to prove that x = 0 -- it's to prove that for any arbitrary x in whatever field you're working with, that ##x^2 > 0## or ##x^2 = 0##. You might start by looking at three separate cases: x < 0, x = 0, or x > 0, and using the axioms that @Infrared mentioned.
 
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