How Can Opposite Vectors Prove |\vec{a}| + |\vec{b}| Equals |\vec{a} - \vec{b}|?

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship between the magnitudes of two vectors, \(|\vec{a}|\) and \(|\vec{b}|\), when they are in opposite directions, specifically that \(|\vec{a}| + |\vec{b}| = |\vec{a} - \vec{b}|\). The subject area is vector mathematics, particularly focusing on vector magnitudes and their properties.

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  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of vectors and their magnitudes, questioning the notation used in the original post. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between vector operations and their magnitudes, particularly in the context of the cosine of the angle between the vectors. Some participants suggest that the original poster's approach may involve a misunderstanding of vector notation and operations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into potential notation issues and clarifying the mathematical relationships involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of vector operations and the implications of vectors having opposite directions.

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Participants note that the vectors are defined to have opposite directions, which influences the calculations involving their dot product and magnitudes. There is also mention of the need for clarity in notation when dealing with vector equations.

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Homework Statement


if vectors [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{b}[/tex] have opposite directions, how to show that |[tex]\vec{a}[/tex]| + |[tex]\vec{b}[/tex]| = |[tex]\vec{a}[/tex] - [tex]\vec{b}[/tex]|?

Homework Equations


quadratic equation, definition of absolute value

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]|\vec{a}-\vec{b}| = \sqrt{\vec{a}^{2}-2\vec{a}\bullet\vec{b}+\vec{b}^{2}}[/tex]
and then I got
[tex]|\vec{a}-\vec{b}| = \sqrt{\vec{a}^{2}-2|\vec{a}||\vec{b}|cos\Phi+\vec{b}^{2}}[/tex]
So then cosine of the angle is equal to -1, and I don't know how to go from there.
 
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Looks like a notation issue.

[tex] \begin{align}<br /> \vec{a}^2 &= a^2\notag\\<br /> <br /> |\vec{a}|&=a\notag<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

Everything under the radical is a scalar.
 
bigplanet401 said:
Looks like a notation issue.

[tex] \begin{align}<br /> \vec{a}^2 &= a^2\notag\\<br /> <br /> |\vec{a}|&=a\notag<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

Everything under the radical is a scalar.

This makes no sense. In the first equation you have the square of a vector, which implies multiplication of some kind. The only kinds of multiplication that are available are 1) multiplication by a scalar, 2) the dot product, and 3) (for vectors in R^3) the cross product.

In the second equation, you claim that the magnitude of a vector is equal to the vector itself.
 
BioBabe91 said:

Homework Statement


if vectors [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{b}[/tex] have opposite directions, how to show that |[tex]\vec{a}[/tex]| + |[tex]\vec{b}[/tex]| = |[tex]\vec{a}[/tex] - [tex]\vec{b}[/tex]|?


Homework Equations


quadratic equation, definition of absolute value


The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]|\vec{a}-\vec{b}| = \sqrt{\vec{a}^{2}-2\vec{a}\bullet\vec{b}+\vec{b}^{2}}[/tex]
and then I got
[tex]|\vec{a}-\vec{b}| = \sqrt{\vec{a}^{2}-2|\vec{a}||\vec{b}|cos\Phi+\vec{b}^{2}}[/tex]
So then cosine of the angle is equal to -1, and I don't know how to go from there.

You're given that the vectors have the opposite directions, which means that a = -kb for some positive scalar k. Also, since a.b = |a||b|cos(theta), and theta = pi, you have a.b = -|a||b|.

Put both of these ideas together, and the result you want should fall out pretty readily.
 
This makes no sense. In the first equation you have the square of a vector, which implies multiplication of some kind. The only kinds of multiplication that are available are 1) multiplication by a scalar, 2) the dot product, and 3) (for vectors in R^3) the cross product.

In the second equation, you claim that the magnitude of a vector is equal to the vector itself.

Again, I think it's a notation issue. You'll often see shorthands like this in the literature. Since you're using boldface:
[tex] \begin{align}<br /> \mathbf{a}^2 &= \mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{a} = a^2 = |\mathbf{a}|^2<br /> \intertext{and}<br /> |\mathbf{a}| &= a.<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

I can see where there might be problems, if instead we did something like
[tex] \mathbf{a}^2 = \mathbf{aa} = \mathbf{a} \otimes \mathbf{a}[/tex]
and instead ended up with a dyadic (an outer product).

Notice that the arrows are missing on the RHS of each equation in my previous post.
 

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