How Can Spacecraft Travel Faster Than Light?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of faster-than-light travel, particularly in the context of spacecraft and the implications of relativistic physics. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, the nature of light speed in different mediums, and the energy requirements for approaching light speed.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose a hypothetical scenario where a spaceship accelerates in a vacuum and question what prevents it from surpassing the speed of light as it approaches that limit.
  • Others argue that accelerating to the speed of light requires infinite energy due to relativistic effects, referencing the equation for relativistic energy and its implications as velocity increases.
  • One participant raises a question about the speed of light in fiber-optic cables versus liquids, suggesting that the speed of light could be affected by the motion of the medium.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the speed of light is constant in all reference frames, regardless of the observer's speed, and discusses the implications for understanding relativity.
  • Some participants clarify that while light travels slower in mediums like fiber-optic cables, the speed can be influenced by the motion of the medium, but it will never exceed the speed of light in a vacuum.
  • A later reply references the relativistic rocket problem to explain why no matter how much a spaceship accelerates, it cannot reach or exceed the speed of light due to the geometry of spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light speed and relativistic travel. While there is some agreement on the constancy of light speed in all reference frames, the discussion includes competing interpretations regarding the effects of mediums on light speed and the feasibility of faster-than-light travel.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of speed and reference frames, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding energy requirements for relativistic travel.

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Lets just pretend we have a spaceship traveling in the vacuum of space with no friction from space dust whatsoever. It accelerates at a meager 10m/s. Eventually in millions of years it will near the speed of light. If nothing can go faster than the speed of light than what prevents said spaceship from passing that barrier when it gets just 10m/s below the 3x10^8 value?
 
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To keep up the acceleration you need increasingly higher power. To accelerate to the speed of light you need an infinite amount of energy since being at the speed of light (for an object with mass) corresponds to having infinite energy.

Look at
<br /> E=\frac{m_0c^2}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}<br />
to understand how the amount of energy necessary scales with the velocity.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot%281%2Fsqrt%281-x^2%29%2C{x%2C0%2C1}%29
The y-axis is the amount of total energy necessary and the x-axis is the velocity, where 1 corresponds to the speed of light.
 
If light travels at a certain speed through fiber-optic cable, would the light get to its destination faster if the fiber-optic cable was actually a liquid, and the liquid had a substantial velocity in the same direction as the light?
 
this is one of the toughest concepts to comprehend while starting in physics. the speed of light (C) MUST be a constant and you can see it in this way.

if youre on a spaceship going around at 100,000 km/s (1/3 of C) observers on the ground will see light going 2/3 faster than your ship. but to observers on the ship, light will still be going 300,000 km/s.
not to mention the whole infinite energy thing. took me 3 months to get a handle on this. its just something you have to learn to get past.
 
So, if I have a second spaceship and I speed up to 100,000km and back down to zero, as I observe the light from the other ship, it will always be C? I thought light was constant only in it's local reference frame.
 
The speed of light is constant in all reference frames, which gives rise to relativity of speed, time and length, among other properties.

No matter how fast you travel, the speed of light remains constant relative to observers in all reference frames.
 
Grips said:
If light travels at a certain speed through fiber-optic cable, would the light get to its destination faster if the fiber-optic cable was actually a liquid, and the liquid had a substantial velocity in the same direction as the light?
Yes. Light through a medium such as fibre-optic travels slower than light in vacuum, so motion of the medium will add to the speed. But the speed will still be slower than the speed of light in vacuum (c).
 
Grips said:
If light travels at a certain speed through fiber-optic cable, would the light get to its destination faster if the fiber-optic cable was actually a liquid, and the liquid had a substantial velocity in the same direction as the light?

OK this is your second 'liquid fiber optic' post in a different thread.
If you want an explanation on the effects of liquids on lightspeeds, read about the Fizeau experiment, where it was proven that light slows down when the light runs thru standing water, and slows down even more if the agua is moving in a direction opposite the light.

If the water (or liquid fiber-optic cable) is moving in a direction the same as light, it would be possible to get that light to equal c, or 300Km/sec, but never more than 300Km/sec.
 
Grips said:
If light travels at a certain speed through fiber-optic cable, would the light get to its destination faster if the fiber-optic cable was actually a liquid, and the liquid had a substantial velocity in the same direction as the light?
Don't hijack another person's thread, it is considered rude.
 
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azice said:
Lets just pretend we have a spaceship traveling in the vacuum of space with no friction from space dust whatsoever. It accelerates at a meager 10m/s. Eventually in millions of years it will near the speed of light. If nothing can go faster than the speed of light than what prevents said spaceship from passing that barrier when it gets just 10m/s below the 3x10^8 value?
This is called the relativistic rocket problem. Here is a good page on it: http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq/Relativity/SR/rocket.html

Essentially it is just due to the geometry of spacetime. No matter how fast you go and how much you accelerate you always wind up with a velocity less than c.
 
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